can't be real right?
but it is here
and for 4, yes four bucks
R2R, V.R, thepirate, who did it?

finally I might be able to clean my stuff.

https://www.ebay.com/p/691280042?iid=174201501671

 

Soothe is more effective at treating Coronavirus than Forsythia

 

Real AF. We cracked that bitch Yesterday, we announced it here but some people thought we were kidding.

 

Just one question:
Why is everyone so hyped about that Soothe plugin?
Aren't we all able to manually do, what Soothe does with all the stuff we already have?

 

It may be because it takes years of experience and knowledge to eq out problems in a mix. And suddenly you have this tool that magically smooths out problematic frequencies. I may demo it in the future but I am pretty sure it is not a linear eq beneath it, so there may cause some phasing issues. What people do not know is that there is already Gullfoss, which does what Soothe and BAX EQ does combined (being BAX Eq very used for mastering/mixing).
in my opinion
Cheers!

 

it is spectral, so there should be no phase issues unless they made a mistake. more, there is no excuse for phase issues.

 

A perfect equalization is not going to cure a bad composition.

It is not going to make one a better musician, NOR a better mixer, because one lack the skills.
All the hype is because they don`t have it. They are missing the one, among many they already have.
They are waiting for the magic eq, the magic compressor, the magic anything...

They want to bypass experience and knowledge. Bypass learning...They don`t want to be bothered by it.
Experience and knowledge is what makes a master.

Get a job and support the developer, who deserves it.

 

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i do agree with these points, but its not fair to ignore the amount of time that can be saved using a tool like this.
yes we can do it without these tools, and it is important to know how to, but these tools save time, and when you can save time from mundane tasks like this you can gain time in the tasks that make your track unique and stand out.

 

People who bash soothe never try soothe.

 

personally i havent heard anybody bash it. can you show me an example?

 

Please read http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2018/10/27/Oeksound-Soothe-Review.html#precursor . It will explain the technical stuff I will talk below. AFAIK (but I haven't tested the paid products)

Soothe is NOT Gulfoss. Gulfoss claims "The equalizer is capable of changing its frequency response more than 300 times per second". Assuming 4x overlap, 44100*4/300 = 588ish so I'll just assume that's the FFT size. 44100*2/588= a resolution of 150 at 44k (*2 for nyquist). It's plenty enough for general, corrective changes perhaps like sonible's smartEQ. But it's not that precise. Turning down individual notes at 1800hz is not a feat worth bragging. Also, "signal processing inspired by quantum theory" is rubbish marketing talk because if you really used & know QT you would state which PART of QT you used, not generic mumbo-jumbo. Gulfoss is AFAIK a smart EQ.

Soothe is VERY DEFINITELY NOT BAX EQ, it's just a regular IIR EQ with the very popular baxun-whatcha shape.

OTOH, Soothe has a FFT size of 4k. It can only react 43 times/sec with a 4x overlap, but it has a resolution of 44100/4096/2 = 21hz (see FFT tradeoffs). That is enough to turn down INDIVIDUAL NOTES at voice frequencies or INDIVIDUAL HARMONICS at the high frequencies. This give it power to change the timbre/ character of the sound beyond broad EQ cuts. And it does so. THIS is what makes it a specialist tool, unlike most other EQs.

The ONLY other things I know that can turn down individual harmonics is ReaFIR in compress mode & maybe DTblkFX/Mspectraldynamics . But it doesn't make a pleasing automatic curve (& probably auto-harmonics) like soothe, or is downright inflexible. This is what makes it sound good. There are probably other things with high FFT size, but they probably won't let you turn down individual FFT bins with pleasant-ness extras.

Conclusion: If you UNDERSTAND how soothe works & what it does, you would NOT be making false claims such as "oh, it' just X" or "it sidesteps experience". No. It is a SPECIALIST tool. But people mistake it for an EQ because it Looks Like one. This is why they charge 150e. Not 30e.

PS: FFT implies linear phase.

 

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nice post. not sure why i was quoted though? i have said nothing against soothe and i will not until i have tried it.
MSpectralDynamics allows you to draw natural curves so it does not sound odd. again, not comparing because i have not used soothe, just pointing things out.
lowering the gain of a single harmonic sounds odd in itself, but the solution causes multiple harmonics to be adjusted, more like a classic filter but without the phase issues, which you can do in MSpectralDynamics, but you have to put much more time into getting it to behave that way.

 

I have MSpectralDynamics and a trial of Soothe which is expiring by the next week.
They are very different. Try Soothe for yourself.

 

For taming harsh sounding areas like in the Soothe demos without audibly affecting the sound of the main mix, TB Equalizer with its per-band dynamics section has done exactly what I needed.
Soothe is certainly even easier to use but I wouldn't call it a difficult process if you have experience with parametric EQs and compressors and if you know what you want to do.

 

I am not saying bit by bit gullfoss is soothe, that would be commercially impossible, but it is a tool for the same thing. As stated by the author, Soothe is a dynamic resonance suppressor while gullfoss is also a dynamic resonance suppressor that uses artificial intelligence. I mentioned BAX because you can control the overall balance of the mix with Gullfoss, but hey, I went too far on that one maybe.

I liked the link you shared, it gives a glimpse of how you can maximize and understanding of Soothe. But FFT is not a recipe for linear phasing, it is a recipe for efficiency, to avoid millions of calculations(dividing everything in bands). If you are not having a phase adjustment at the end of the FFT before summing the bands, it will not be linear but maybe a minimal phase eq, as stated by the creator of Soothe in this thread

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/pro...c-resonance-suppressor-plugin-released-2.html

He also mentions how the linear phase version experiment sounds like crap, so maybe for these resonant suppressors, we do not really need linear phasing since they aim for the mid and high freqs.

So far I am interested to try it.
Cheers and good weekend!

 

COnventional IIR EQs do processing on audio, as audio, with no transformations. It is not possible using IIR EQs/filters to change the phase of, even the whole thing, by an arbitrary angle.

If you want to do FFT operations, you need to transform it into the frequency domain first. Now it's not really music. It's a slush of real & imaginary numbers. To get the magnitude/ amplitude and angle/phase of a bin, you do trigonometry on the pairs. If you turn down the magnitude of a single frequency bin, it affects amplitude ONLY, not the phase. This is how FFT , by DEFAULT is Linear-phase (if you have PDC).

You can also adjust the angle/phase of a bin by arbitrary amounts, minimum, maximum or none, etc, without affecting anything else. To get it back into meaningful, audio, you need to reverse the transformations (conceptually, a frequency decomposition is "summing up", but the process of FFT is a transformation). Phase is not really something you 'correct' or tack on at the end, it's a core part of your decisions & manipulations in FFT along with magnitude.

What I DID get wrong was assume it is linear, because FFT by default is linear. (sorry about that).

Minimum phase was probably chosen due to post-ring sounding more pleasing.

 

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I wanna bring out a brand new extremely popular VST and call it 'mirror' Whoever cracked THAT would be heading for 7 years bad luck..

 

Not forgetting Spectral Dynamics from Melda. Or apparently not if @devilorcracker is correct

 

No, see my #11

 

i might do. i will have to try it on another machine though, which makes it probably more hassle than it is worth.
i like reading peoples opinions and experiences, but i dont really have much use for it in my typical audio work. the only vocal stuff i work with is live, the rest is sound design and electronic music. i actually hate vocals hahaha

i am curious though. we will see how curious i get