Silicon Lottery Reveals AMD Ryzen 3000 Binning Stats
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-3000-cpus-silicon-lottery-binning,40157.html

Get the Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 3200 and overclock the RAM
http://www.scanproaudio.info/2019/07/30/ryzen-memory-testing-for-audio-does-it-make-an-impact/
https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/ballistix-sport-lt-overclocking.18861166/
https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/master/DDR4 OC Guide.md
https://www.overclock.net/forum/13-...locking-dram-am4-membench-0-8-dram-bench.html

 

ah this is marvellous topic to discuss!

at first, I must ask, what exact moment do you feel your current setup just doesn't make it?

now let's sum up your potential upgrade:
1) passmark multicore from 13805 to 24572
2) passmark singlecore from 2082 to 2983
3) quad-channel RAM on X79 compared to dual-channel RAM on AM4
4) workstation mobo to gaming mobo
5) same amount of RAM
6) using cooler/gpu/ssds/psu from previous setup

1+2) Ryzen is surprisingly capable even for singlecore performance, despite being clocked lower than current top-end Intel cpus, so you are definitely getting more performance even if an application will not use those extra cores/threads compared to your previous cpu,
don't get fooled by cpu clock numbers, your 4GHz is basically weaker than 4GHz on current AMD or Intel

3+4) this is step down from workstation-grade market to gamer - this isn't essentially bad, but you will be definitely missing some features compared to workstation mobo for ex. based on sTRX4 socket (haven't launched yet) or TR4 socket (at first look you can see those boards have 8 RAM slots, so obvious chance to potentially squeeze 128GB RAM easily or even 256GB RAM eventually is a thing which may or may not be worth considering
X570 is probably too overkill for 3800X audio workstation though, you might wanna get ASUS ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING or ASUS TUF B450M-PRO GAMING instead - those particularly offer 2 onboard NVME slots, which can run superfast SSDs which is more worthy than having relatively useless multi-gpu support of X570 platform

5) not stepping up in this game makes me wonder, if you don't need more, or if those 64GB are already too much now?

6) I don't recommend using some of those parts for your new setup;
AiO cooler may need different mounting frames, it will be too much hassle, and in the end you may miss chance to try already included Wraith Prism RGB with 3800X, or eventually get some high-end Noctua air cooler for literally zero-noise operation unless doing heavy rendering (just for reference, my Noctua NH-U14S is running at around 600-700rpm cooling down my 4.3GHz OCed 6-core i7-5820K right now) with cpu temps being around 40°C
PSU+GPU are probably balanced combo, but I'll get to this later...


SO, most important part of your post imo is, where you mention Vienna Ensemble Pro - in that case you might wanna ask yourself, if it couldn't be overall more cost effective to buy a new computer to be used as VEP server host?
because:
1+2) theoretically much better distribution of load across high amount of cpu cores
3+5) theoretically more RAM can be very beneficial there
4) no need for powerful dedicated gpu - sadly no Ryzens or Threadrippers have integrated gpu, so this is a bit tricky, finding cheap mediocre gpu shall be easy though
6) PSU requirements could differ a lot with no hungry graphics card and different cpu, also SSDs/HDDs could be used different way more usefully
7) you can keep your current workstation fully operational, no hassle with reinstalling stuff or disassembling anything

one more note about those AMD cpus - they DO offer amazing value, Intel is crazy and can't basically offer anything - but be aware those Ryzens have problems reaching advertised boost clocks, Intel is more "reliable" in that regard,
sticking to ASUS as mobo choice means you should not run into any problems related to basic setup, their BIOSes are even more user friendly than before (I'm moved onto X99 from Z77, it's always pleasure to work with custom fan speed curves and that automatic overclock thingy..)


last but not least, I hope you're aware right now is the absolute worst time to buy anything, so if we're speaking looking at following months, there will be some new cpus arriving, making current generation cheap, but new generation better in every way most likely....

 

instead of going to 64gb of ram, change your ssd's choice and go for the samsung evo ssd, works really well loading samples.

 

Sure bro. Here you are :

With the Pentium MMX @ 166mghz and 64mb of SDRam you are guaranteed to run Cubase VST. Tons of fun
PS: Jokes aside, that old IBM "clikety clack" keyboard from the original ibm pc you posted, is quite top grade in my book even now, hehe. Cheers mate

 

As it stands, I think I'm inclined to go for the cheaper 3700X and then I would have all parts ready to upgrade to a 3950X in a year or two.

My ultimate goal, but limited by budget at the moment, would be a 3950X with 128GB RAM.

 

Dont be cheap on the motherboard if you want to go later with the 12 or 16 core, a 300 up one is a must for at least the 16 core.

I would go for the asus strix-e if you prefer wifi, if not the strix-f is the same without wifi.

Always consider the worst case, especially in the summer...

 

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Interesting article that fits into the discussion here:
AMD Ryzen 4000 Series Launching Early 2020 & Zen 3 on Track, CEO Confirms

 

I'm gonna have some questions regarding my future build in a few months after new cpus arrive. Hopefully you'll be around.

 

Ive been following some of your posts lately and imo anything less than a 9900k for someone who does orchestra and electronic stuff will be a bottleneck, especially if you are running cubase.
There is just something about having a lot more power and stability with a good intel cpu vs the amd, which if course is also very good, but not for daw/power users.
AMD shines on secondary farm servers or other platforms, but the main daw pc should be built around a powerful intel cpu.
The asio bar in cubase will also breath and not hit the wall so fast.

 

As I mentioned already in another Thread few Months ago:

I built a 2nd System with a 3700X, 32 GB @ 3200Mhz on a X570 Mobo .. and got much less CPU consumption on Ableton with that AMD System in contrast to my other Intel 9700K System which is nearly identical .. If you are on a Budget then choosing the 3rd Gen Ryzen CPUS is a absolutely nobrainer at the moment!

 

This was true once-upon-a-time. After 2017, AMD has slowly & methodically built into a serious company with a roadmap for the future instead of playing the tit-for-tat game.

Cubase, Protools, Reaper 5 & Digital Performer all take advantage of multi-core CPUs, not just GHz/frequency.
Cubase has a limit of 14 usable cores out of 16. Reaper actually has an advanced feature to set he cores yu want the DAW to run under, not just how many.

Once coding for DAWs catches up to CPU abilities, we will have a clearer idea of what is what for sure.

 

Cubase is coded on intel and it shows, it also uses the cpu differently.

 

The X570 is more future proof, the MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX is the only B450 motherboard I like.
Only one NVMe slot, but very good VRM.

 

This is the board I settled on for a system I would like to build for my daughter after looking at the Gigabyte B450M-DS3H. No need to speculate about what bios version your board shipped with with the MSI plus, more up-to-date feature set. Should handle up to a 3950X just fine with a tall/fat cooler. Will probably handle the Ryzen 4000 series as well.

 

Bro, the 9900k and Intel in general is having a hard time competing now in multi-threaded workloads. Just yesterday i was at a close friend's studio upgrading their file server/backup comp with new Ironwolf Pro 8tb drives & rebuilding their raid 6 array based on an LSI 8 port card (took some 14 hrs lol).
The friend's space is divided in 3 recording suites with their own respective drum & vocal booths, and on the secondary suite i recently built a system with a 3900x & 64gb ram (2x32) on a AsRock X570 Creator (a very cool X570 board that has 2 TB3 ports, rocks if you want AMD+Thunderbolt). For the main suite, i had built a comp on early January which is 9900k & 64 gb ram on a Gigabyte Z390 Designare. Since the secondary suite is operated by another friend, my buddies felt we should do a cross comparison while the array was rebuilding, so we stacked the two comps against each other. Both guys produce on Cubase 10 (no 10.5 yet) with UAD Apollos and UAD pci-e DSP. Both machines deploy Samsung 970 Pros 500gb for system drives and 2x 860 Pro 2tb, one for libraries, one for recorded audio. Win 10 Enterprise on both comps.
Same project on both comps (no oc) and the 9900k was easily 20-25% behind. A quick look at the loads revealed the 9900k turboing hard at 4.6ghz on all cores and about 83 degrees Celcius on a quite respectable Kraken X72 AIO, while the 3900x was at ~4.0-4.1 ghz and 70 degrees again on a Kraken x72. My mate was stunned as the newer -by only 9-10 months- system was significantly faster and we haven't even deployed pci-e 4 ssds yet. Not to mention the much better overall thermals and power consumption in favor of the AMD system.
What's the aftermath of all this?
As much as i love my Intel cpus, it's time we take AMD really seriously as a major player in Digital Audio and Video/3D/2D/CAD workstations. Their new platform outperforms anything from Intel, even their HEDT cpus. And i mean holy moly, Threadripper 3 isn't released yet. Recent leak a couple of days ago from MSI revealed a 64 core TR3 cpu. Of course this will be one costly bitch of a cpu, but the smallest TR3, the 24 core part with 140mb L2/L3cache (yeah wtf lol) and 88 pci-e gen.4 lanes at 1400 dlrs, looks like it will tear down every offering from Intel in the HEDT and even some workstation/server markets.
Cheers mate

 

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Most software is coded towards Intel for the obvious reason. They were the de-facto go-to for quite some time.
Just the way everyone went Microsoft Office from Word Perfect or, Windows from UNIX.

The tech world is slowly shifting away from the stale & complacent to the fresh & innovative.

 

Just built a new machine, Gigabyte x570 pro /Ryzen 7 2600x OC to 3900mhz/32 gb ddr400 14cl/Samsung760 pro M.2 500GB/ win 10 /cubase Pro 10.0.50 /steinberg UR424.
running "DAWbench 2017" with all plugins on (thats 320 plug ins ) AAP only 75% im happy , ill upgrade to the bigger cpu (Ryzen 9). when the prices drop a bit. the build only cost me about 600 euro. Beastmode on a budget ;)

 

People forget that each track and each channel (stereo tracks have two channels) runs on a separate thread (each core usually has two threads). It is not just about single-thread performance.

Better multi-threaded performance = more tracks

 

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I can vouch for this too. 2 of my recent builds with Asus and Gigabyte B450 boards went dead while still on the build bench after my usual stress test. A quick overview of the boards from my best mate and collaborator (PHD on computer sciences), plus a quick doublecheck through the manuals and web, revealed that the majority of B450 boards deploy an inadequate amount of bios ram and bad lane soldering (if i understood this last one correctly), which can cause mobo failure. So it seems like the only respectable enough mobos for B450, that will carry the weight of Ryzen 3000 cpus are the MSIs, in particular the Pro Carbon, the Tomahawk Max and the mini-ITX Mortar Max.
Cheers
Ps: I am expecting a refresh of the lower segment AMD mobos in the likes of a newer B550. It may not happen but i have reasons to believe it will. We 'll just have to wait and see :D

 

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I expect to see B550 boards inside the first quarter. Maybe NAMM 2020????

Will depend on current & in-stream inventory clearing out between now & December 26. After that, the mid-winter sales.