Schon richtig aber, wenn das einer auf ebay Tag ein Tag aus macht so, wie es beschrieben worden ist oder in vielen Fällen ist die Gesetzeslage so wie ich weiter oben beschrieben habe. Das heißt, der Gesetzgeber unterscheide zwischen gewerblichem und non-gewerblichen Diebstahl ... Irgendwie zumindest .

Auf der anderen Seite finde ich es auch etwas verwerflicher, wenn einer mit gecrackter Software handel treibt.
Der, der sie selbst verwendet schadet einmal. Der ders weiterverkauft viel Male.

Im Fall mit den Brüdern wird auch noch ein Unschuldiger in die Sache reingezogen, der die Uhr als Hehlerware abgeben müsste. (wenns schlecht läuft)

 

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An unpopular opinion, but whatever. Whether you steal it to use or steal it to sell, its the same difference and its arguing semantics. If you can afford the software, buy it and support the developers. If you can't afford certain software then use something else until you can.

I want a Ferrari but I'll drive a Volvo until I can afford one.

 

And what if the guy who is selling the pirated software is also poor and just sells warez to feed his family? You can turn it around as you want...Its both the same...both are stealing the money that belongs to the developer or company that is trying to get paid for their work.

But somehow you are also right. I also download a lot and have no guilty conscience but of cause I would never sell anything of it. But if you really think about it, its all the same.
Its just a question of morallity.

If I have no work and I steal a car from a millionare to sell it to buy food for my family most of the people would say...OHH, what a poor guy...and its OK. But if I have a job and would steal the same car from the same millionare just do to buy me and everybody in my family a new iPhone and a big car for me, noone would say its OK.
Legally seen its both the same...morally seen it is not.

 

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Die Forumsprache ist Englisch, nicht Deutsch...also seid nicht so unkameradschaftlich und haltet euch bitte daran.
Für deutsche Muttersprachler, gibt es einen extra Bereich. Danke.

The forum language is English, not German...so don't be so "Anti comradely" and please stick to it. For German native speakers, there is an extra section. Thank you.

 

Sorry to cap this short for all others
It was on Law which only applies to his and my homecontry, so I thought I would not so relevant for all others, I´m still new to this forum And he begins to talk to me in german, so I thought it would be ok

 

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Yes you are right....but as @Polomo already said, this was just a short discussion about national law in germany how judges would handle a case I described before (in english).

 

I also had a feeling that this Maschine Mk3 is not legit: https://www.ebay.com/itm/333278705049?orig_cvip=true
But i'm not sure though...

 

This is like saying drug possession is as bad as drug dealing.

 

The concept of stealing software is complex to the point of amusement. By the time any form of stealing virtual content has any form of justification, you can throw any additional morality right out the window because, no matter what, you're taking away someone's opportunity to either buy a yacht or feed starving kids. You can Robin Hood the likeable thieves or the ones that have lines they don't cross, but it doesn't change the fact that they're still depriving the original developers of funds that they either seriously need or could do without (and we're not able to tell which is which).

Now, the amusing complexity comes in when you realize that, hey, it's not like stealing physical goods. Physical goods are finite and a run of them can only bring in a finite amount of revenue for them, whereas software could theoretically be infinite. A company could make $100 billion off of a $10 program because it copies almost as freely as magic without taking up significant physical resources. The potential is infinite and using a $10 program without paying for it cannot be calculated for how much loss that robs them. They also have very little way of telling who is using their programs without their consent, even with the best DRM and security stuff available, so they can't easily bring the law in to take their stuff back like you could for stolen car parts or something.

And, just to top it all off, companies largely consider ANY form of using their product by not the person who bought it as illegal. You borrowed a videogame from your brother or watched a movie at a friend's house? You gave a person an experience the company created without additional revenue coming to them, so they consider that stealing. They aren't totally technically wrong, either.

That's just a few of the real world complexities involved with this stuff, so by the time you get to someone taking something that was made freely and easily available by others being used to make money, I find it hard to grimace much. If you made that available and made it available worldwide, it's going to happen, period. The parameters here were pretty ***damn subjective and sketchy to start with, so drawing a hard line at certain points isn't much objectively justifiable.

 

Totally legit got the same two weeks before
Never got greater beats.

 

Distribution of copyrighted material is seen to be more serious in the eyes of the law. People have been selling copyrighted stuff on ebay since it started, but their ebay careers are usually short lived because devs police ebay.

 

Thanks for the link, i have always wanted a Maschine MK3 Karaoke controller!

 

I think, in fact ebay is just a public total mess site

 

At least when you're making music you're doing some (hard) work from this software and maybe one day you will earn money and you will buy this software;you don't directly sell something illegal you got for free.

But yes the guy who makes money with warez is wrong and a robber.

 

I think for the one who is taking drugs its even more bad.

 

So with your definition if a producer still uses the cracked software he downloaded when noone knew his tracks is still not a robber when after a few months of hard work he sells millions of records even if he produces them with stolen software? Or depends the status "robber" on the fact if you make money with your music or not?

I know I'm a robber when downloading warez, but I dont care....but I never would steal in a warehouse. Its simply a question of morality and anonymity in the internet. But when you really be honest to yourself there is no difference. Same as if you use a stolen car or sell it. The real owner of the car also wont accept when you say to him "Ahh, maybe later when I have the money I would have asked you to sell the car to me"

 

Highly likely. But he hurts himself. IMO both at legal and ethical levels is way worse selling 'em.
Well, at legal level it is actually worse by law in any country that I know of.

 

of cause...but this has nothing to do with our topic here. If you want to use an example with drugs you might have asked "What is more illegal stealing drugs and consume them or stealing drugs and selling them" Of cause stealing itself is the crime...even if no drug dealer would go to the police and report you for stealing his drugs.
But to be honest the whole example is shit, cause selling drugs in most every country is illegal. I dont think any court gives a shit if you are stealing things that are illegal. I never read or heard anywhere, that someone had to go to jail because he stole drugs from a drug dealer.

 

Yes. Because if it's a pile of poop, I ain't buying it, and it goes in the trash.