Mono and stereo in Musiclab guitars?

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  1. Niruvana

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    I read the manual but I had no idea what different is and why it is a powerful feature.
    I pulled up normal one, mono, and stereo on my DAW, but couldn't find the differences. If I need mono, then I just can use the normal one with a single track. If I need a stereo, then I just can create two tracks. Can't I?
    Or is there anything CRITICAL feature with it?

     
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    Usually the stereo version uses different samples, like with two players.
    If you just double the mono version, the stereo image would either be worse or completely lost (when the same samples are used simultaneously).
     
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    What about double? They also offer double guitars option. Is it different from stereo and doubling mono?
    Another question is, many people suggested me to use doubling track even though it supports double guitars. What do you think about it?
     
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    You might want to automate the fine-tuning of the second guitar track to make your doubling sound more natural or like the guitar player you can't stand...
     
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    It's the same thing but with different settings for convenience. Like has been said, it consist of using two or more different samples of the same note and articulation to give it true stereo (like a double-tracked guitar) and also more thickness to the sound (quad-tracking).

    The moment you want to pan a double or quad tracked guitar but not hard panned (one 100% left one 100% right) there's a problem: you need more than a stereo signal. A stereo signal can't be split into a two or more not hard-panned ones. You need multi-output or you'll end with quad-track wasted in a double-track outcome at best.

    The reason is you want to do quad track panned roughly 80% left and 80% right (besides the two hard-panned). That means you must a multi-output version. The same would apply to a not usual but still possible double-track not hard-panned.

    In case you use ampsims: for convenience too, they can process stereo signals but only hard panned ones. Just to save you the time to put two identical ones on the left and the right. There's no quality at all guaranteed if you feed them a not hard panned stereo guitar sound. Because real amps and guitars are mono.
     
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    Well, tbh, it can.
    Firstly you can just narrow the stereo width in the mixer channel, the simplest solution.
    Secondly, you can render the stereo guitars and split them into two mono signals, no prob. If your DAW isn't capable of this, there are several free tools which are.
    You can then, ofc, also treat these two mono signals differently.
     
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    Thanks, everyone for the great suggestions, but my main question is if the stereo and the mono features are really useful for mixing. They must have put the feature in it for a certain reason.
     
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    ???

    If you want or need just a mono track use the mono version, if you want the guitars sound doubled and panned left and right, take the stereo. That's what they are made and good for.
     
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    Not sure exactly what you're referring to when you say "stereo guitars". RealGuitar has always had a "doubled" guitar preset that sort of mimics two different acoustic guitars, panned hard left and right, playing the same thing that you can only use in stereo. This would be useful if you wanted to create a "doubled" acoustic rhythm guitar track. It also has a "stereo" preset guitar that mimics an acoustic guitar mic'd from two different positions, which you would use if, say, you wanted to feature a vocalist and just an acoustic guitar accompaniment. The "stereo" guitar would be useful for filling out the sides of the track. All of RealGuitar's other presets are mono. It doesn't matter if you load a stereo version or a mono version of RealGuitar, every guitar preset other than the two I just mentioned are in mono. In fact, unless you're using the "doubled" or "stereo" presets, I would advise just using a mono version of the VI.

    Now this is where it will get a bit tricky. If you have any version of RealEight, RealRick, v4 or v5 of RealStrat or v4 of RealLPC, they all feature a newish function called "doubling", which you actually have to select from your list of VIs. This will create two instances of the Real VI (up to four, if you're using RealEight) on their own audio output tracks that are meant to be hard left/hard right doubled rhythm guitars. Every VI handles them differently, and I don't even know what DAW you're using, so I wouldn't know how to tell you to set them up properly, but chances are high you have the manual, and/or the capability to visit MusicLab's Web site (it's just two or three guys running the entire operation and they're incredibly helpful).
     
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    Ye, this is what I wanted to know. They offer many options, but it is not easy to understand/decide for newbies. I have been considering which one gives me the best results.
    Thanks for the details!
     
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    Wait. I just tested all of RealGuitar series again. The acoustic guitar really plays stereo, but electric guitars don't. The normal one, 2 mono, 2 stereo sound all the same. I don't hear any stereo sound with them.
     
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    I was talking of a stereo track made of, say, four tracks not hard-panned. And then recover the four.
     
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    Like I said, RealLPC, RealStrat, RealEight and RealRick are mono instruments, even if you select the "Stereo" versions. There should be the ability to select versions of these instruments with the number "2" next to them -- ("RealLPC 2 mono", "RealLPC 2 stereo", etc.). Those versions are your "doubled" instruments. Again, this is the tricky part, because it's tough to set up, but it's ultimately meant to create two instances of RealLPC, RealStrat, etc. on two different VI tracks. One is supposed to be the "left" side instrument, one is the "right" side instrument. You create a MIDI rhythm guitar track with one of these, then duplicate the MIDI guitar track (or have that MIDI guitar track go to both instances) and have both "left" side and "right" side instruments playing (make sure they are panned hard left and right) and you will now hear your rhythm guitar track in stereo, or more precisely, like two different guitars are playing the same track, but with enough timing and velocity differences to come through in true stereo, just like if you had a real rhythm guitarist doubling his own rhythm guitar track. The tough part is figuring out how to set this up in your DAW, as MusicLab hasn't worked out the kinks yet and every DAW handles it differently. My advice is, contact one of the guys at MusicLab, or browse their user forum, and find out how to set it up on your specific DAW. Or ...

    There is also another way to do this that may or may not be easier. Open one mono instance of RealLPC(or Strat or Rick or Eight). Make sure the "Humanize" button (bottom right corner of the GUI) is off. Create your rhythm guitar MIDI track. Pan the VI hard left. Now open a second instance of RealLPC/Strat/Rick/Eight. Set everything the same, except make sure the "Humanize" button is on. Pan it hard right. Duplicate your MIDI rhythm guitar track and send it to this second instance of RealLPC/Strat/Rick/Eight. You should now hear both VIs playing and have a nice doubled rhythm guitar. If you want it tighter or looser, go to your hard right-panned VI and click on the word box that says "Humanize" (not the red button next to it, which should be lit). A set of controls will pop open, allowing you to tweak the basic amount of humanization, as well as a more extensive set of controls under that which will allow you to tweak timing, velocity, duration, etc. This is pretty much the same thing as the doubled version, minus the hassle of trying to configure the "doubled" instruments.

    The upshoot of all this is, ignore the "stereo" versions of the MusicLab instruments, unless you want to play the "doubled" or "stereo" acoustic guitars.
     
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    Ye, it's really tricky, but it is not so tough to set it up. I am using S1 and it was kinda pice of cake. Thanks for the details.
     
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    Yeah, MusicLab's heart was definitely in the right place, but they still have a way to go before they get the doubling thing perfected. Fortunately, it's based around the humanization engine, so you can just do it all manually. Before they came out with humanization engine in v4, you pretty much had to duplicate you MIDI track and humanize the duplicate manually in your DAW, which was a royal bitch if you used lots of keyswitches.
     
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