ASIO4ALL vs MAGIX ASIO

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  1. tzzsmk

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    not possible, don't even bother trying, it doesn't work that way - you can't glue brake light in front of your car without any wires and expect it to magically shine white like xeon headlight;
    RME audio interfaces have own internal Hammerfall DSP core which is invoked via the driver, also they customize their usb/firewire/thunderbolt controllers and tailor drivers to them
     
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    Avoid by any mean MME or DX, unless strictly necessary. They're low in performance, hardly comparable with ASIO drivers.
     
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  3. Gyro Gearloose

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    im not so sure bout anymore...
     
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    If you could find a used RME Babyface more people would like you, your bank account will definately triple, the cure for cancer would be revealed and your dick will grow another two inches...and you could use the RME driver.
     
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  5. Qrchack

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    First of all, I'll assume you don't have any audio interface. That's a box that you plug by USB cable that acts as an external soundcard.
    You're using the internal soundcard then. While it's okay for playing music, it's not that okay for making music, especially for recording music. The proper solution is to use a soundcard that's designed for making music from the ground up. My best advice would be to not be cheap and get a decent audio interface as soon as you can. Presonus Audiobox USB can be had very cheap ($65 or even less in my area if you look around), there's also Behringer UMC204HD for $130 new, and probably less used. The Behringer one has some additional features (like -20dB switch so if you plug a guitar it won't clip at lowest gain or having the headphone jack in front of you and not on the back). You can get cheaper stuff, but you really shouldn't. Don't go with cheap USB mixers either, they're usually terrible as external soundcards. They're okay mixers, but the USB features are just for recording your live shows and not for making music like you do in the studio.

    Second, while you're waiting for your interface to arrive, or if you insist on not getting any new hardware, there are options to force your terrible internal soundcard to behave kind of well enough to do work. The standard solution is ASIO4All. This will stop any sound on your computer except the DAW (Ableton in your case). If you minimize Ableton, playing anything else won't work until you close it fully. However, you get lowest CPU usage and the least latency. Note - still nowhere near just getting an used audio interface for $65.

    Third, there are options for forcing your terrible soundcard to behave well but also allow other programs. You're making a compromise though and you'll get worse performance than ASIO4All. The ones I'm aware of include Voicemeeter and FL Studio ASIO. That MAGIX one you mentioned is likely similar.

    Fourth, the MME/DX and WASAPI drivers are second-class, novelty options which nobody treats seriously and nobody tests/supports. You should use ASIO4All or FL Studio ASIO/Voicemeeter instead.

    Seriously though, it's never been cheaper to get everything you need to make music. Just grab a cheap used one from eBay or something. Get one and be done, with no excuses to make music. I wish somebody told me to do so earlier.
     
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    QRCHAK first of all i thank you a lot for takin the time to write this..but you missed some info on thread site 1
    im not so new to this you kno but anyway always interssting what advanced ppl say , also to 100% you helped some newbs which reading this for sure since in all forums the unregistred read only guests are the big majority....

    so with this x86 laptop i dont record really...its just in the box...ableton 977...the warez slap box try out box with 634 vsti synths:mad:on my big one i have just ableton and melda at moment :headbang:
    but back to x86 laptop:
    and to be honest i dont really see diffrence in performance when using windows driver while just stay in the box with win7 on my x86 puter
    its just a feeling..im no benchmarker guy but i guess i will look into it a bit more
    i feeled pretty dumb when i encountered dt770 have mini jacks cause then there was no need for interface , when not recording and stay in the box
    only the real expensive ones are good yeah...
     
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    What is the advantage of ASIO4All in a DAW environment? Do you get better performance with ASIO? I have tested ASIO against native drivers from almost every major DAW and performance wise they only bested FL Studio ASIO. BTW, FL Studio is one of the developers that recommends that you uninstall ASIO4All.
     
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    Windows audio modes (MME, WASAPI, WDM etc..) are utter garbage, and so Steinberg came up with ASIO long time ago;
    proper ASIO performance is determined by dedicated audio hardware, and is obviously the best solution;
    ASIO4ALL emulates ASIO dedicated hardware though computer processor which is a big performance compromise and still sort of garbage, but at least offers lower latency for recording and virtual instruments compared to any other audio modes in Windows
     
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    I didn't tell that I'm using a4a, I'm not comparing performances, we all know that a4a is a wrapper and it loses against native drivers.

    But in past (2005) I used a4a for the internal Realtek, Ploytec for the external Aureon, and only much later I installed Magix asio that I picked as standard internal board driver.

    I keep a4a just in case the others fail, you never know (Ploytec once did, right when I was using Traktor, Aureon didn't provide any asio driver and Magix was not even existing - a4a saved the night!).
     
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    If you have a Edirol and a Steinberg interfaces,why don't you use one of the two on your computer 32 bits and the other on your main computer?
    Both of your interfaces feature ASIO driver,I guess?With their dedicated ASIO drivers from the supplier?
    You don't necessarily need an audio interface for plugging 1/4" jacks TRS,but you need it mainly to improve realtime performance.(and also for preamps if you need it,ofc)
     
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    Not kidding. I did not know that. :dunno::rofl: Bro I was comparing ASIO4All against other ASIO drivers. My question to @orbitbooster was very specific. It had nothing to do with MME, WASAPI, WDM. Again, I was simply curious as to why @orbitbooster had ASIO4All when ASIO4All performance is not as good as that of other DAWs' native ASIO drives with the exception of FL Studio. The OP has been going all over the place with his questions, yet he wants the best ASIO driver for his x86 system which he plans to use without an audio interface.
    I invite anybody to point @Gyro Gearloose to an ASIO driver with less latency than MAGIX. ASIO4All certainly it is not.
     
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    cause i dont need it at moment..just in the box..recording i do with i7 pc...i dont even freeze much....but i have not 50 tracks....i use old cool stuff on x86...and bit of new...but when projects grow to endsize i cant load new vst with to heavy cpu load....but thats no end of the world to me , besides that i can go crazy with my main i7 putter when i want
    i have 10 old projects or so i want to finish on the old x86 laptop and of course ,
    you kno i have fun to configure it with old stuff , so it runs fine...and i mean fine


    im curious with what i will have more fun to do music with , with the old x86 or newer x64 i7
     
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  14. Gyro Gearloose

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    he did and do it already :wink:
    i check out the right rls for the magix asio and then i will use that , thx bro for pointing out right rls in magix driver thread
     
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    he was also reffering to me...pointing out asio4all is better then mme dx wasapi and you did point out that magix stands over asio4all big time...
     
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    MAGIX ASIO should be no better than ASIO4All since it still is not a proper ASIO driver and just trickery to force crap soundcards to work properly. If you have an audio interface you should be the drivers made for it. Are 32-bit drivers not available for what you're using or something?
     
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    and no asio4all is solving that..
     
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    It seems to me that I answered, crystal clear. By the way, not all daws provide an asio driver.

     
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    rebadged for magix version of asio4all I understand
     
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    buy an audio interface and install native drivers,
     
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