Music will Change in a Decade says Vinod Khosla

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  1. Lois Lane

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    The guy is obviously trying to sell some-thing and is far removed from any actual artistic creativity, is evil and more psychic vampire than not. Pay him neither mind nor silver.

    Disperse foul stench of sulfur, get thee behind me Satan.


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    Any true Artificial Intelligence with recursive learning habits would ultimately become a virtual sociopath. Of course, everything being learnt by it is being taught from us.

    Anyone seen that last Black Mirror episode? Miley Cirus + Black Mirror + NIИ.
     
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    Another step to QUANTITY from QUALITY. Money/Science ultimately kills art.
     
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    Vinod Khosla : go kcuf yourself !
     
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    We already had custom soundtracks for everybody when portable players rolled out.

    What they're actually talking about is control. By controlling the steadily generated "music" that everyone is hearing in their head, groups of people can be synchronized like ants in an anthill to do their job for the hive. They can be agitated or soothed as needed, rewarded and punished, and there is no escape because the sound is induced directly in the brain and not by any exernal player device.
     
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    A computer will never make a song about a broken heart that will bring a tear to the eye, and neither will a human until they have had their own heart broken into a thousand pieces :)
     
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    music will change in a decade ? lets hope so :woot:
    because im sick of hearing trap beats/hiphop with that running highhats and the same snares and beat being used over and over
    :suicide:

    you guys find that sound so fascinating that you are copying that combo trick into your own music
    and trust me it will not help progress or evolve to something better in your creativity department :thumbsdown:


    we already have million artists with that style right now ,so how we should produce better music
    if those millions are using the same style and using same running high hats and snares ? ha ?:guru:

    its time to find alternative style....or better ,,find your own style :invision:
     
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    I'm worried. I've discovered that all the music I make is AI muzak! =)

    More accurate to say that machine music will struggle to be truly random in nature. I dunno, I'm moar worried that machines are very good (perfect) at the non-random; the maths of emotional mathematics. What they're not good at (and will prolly rely on humans for) is the randomness, the "mistakes" that make music interesting. That they'll be no new genres, just increasingly efficient imitations? Maybe skynet Adele will get her random seeds from the audience sounds, button presses, mouse movements? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
  9. No one in the world still knows all the possibilities in connecting the notes together in the most meaningful way or ways for the entire piece:

    Each possibility leads to a different emotion and who can allege that chooses the notes knowingly? Add to this ambiguity, the instrumentation, the rhythm, tempo, different tunings, ... .
     
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    I can't see computers pulling off stuff like this anytime soon, it's just not going to happen. And even if they do, I wouldn't pay to see it :)

     
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    Yeah, I'm kinda afraid that machine-learning will eventually know all those things perfectly. Given that AI has learnt Go, it may even be too late! Weird that we'll have to teach machines imperfections that we like. Almost reverse captchas?

    I always was excited that we'd eventually be able to make and play (true, down-to-the-atom) virtual instruments in VR. I hope that we don't have an AI Bootsy Collins constantly hogging that bass. Or maybe I do? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    So it sounds like most music released recently?
     
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    in 50 years they all could be talking about what the future of music will be for the next decade .. who cares about what a
    millionaire says about music ?... in my opinion I don't think machines will replace ART.. it never happened for painters.. and humans like more the human TOUCH.. even if you a computer could make a great great song.. Human will never give the computer more value than what a Human can do with its own hands ears... eyes.. popular music will always exists and the worst art is always popular.. that's a fact. and by the way all decades have their own touch in music.. musicians did that.. not computers.. computers are a great tool for musicians .. it is the first time that we could all have a "studio" = "a computer" ,, and it does not costs much this days.. and ok computer.. with 10 tracks you have more than you need. humans specially artists like their own way of doing things.. so.. computers could never stop artists .. and artists can have nothing to eat.. and they will continue their own way.. because it is a need.. for them .. computers will never crash the artists.. and even if in a future all popular music is made by computers.. with vocaloid singers etc... singers will always keep singing no matter what too. so what is the point here?.. this guy must be on the popular side of art "thinking"
     
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    Well, not very well sometimes, but it has a high financial value. But it's kinda improving, evolving?
     
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    I could see this happening in mainstream ads/commercials etc.. Music started with the beating of the heart, then the beating of a drum. Our voice. The feeling of sound vibrations hitting our skin, resonating into our cell membranes at proper frequencies. We as producers know what feels right, and whats wrong. That positive inner quiet voice that has a lot of people having trouble to hear. I feel music has hit its peak in the late 60's to late 1990's (depending on genre) all the way to a downward spiral since late 2000's ish. That's almost 40 years of epic music. GEMS!......Ai will be pretty crazy ina few years no doubt, able to tag the details of new songs chord progressions, all that fancy geeky stuff and such. But In the end (at least on this site) we are all humans, real physical people who actually have knowledge of music, being in that pocket of a down or up beat will NEVER go out. Peace love and harmony
     
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    Good info, thank you.

    I think it's not AI itself. There is the programmer who determined the goal and methods to acheive it (and this not a method that a painter uses). This work has been made by this programmer. And there will be authors of a possible system that will produce "music for Spotify". This music will be their music.

    It's all about new instruments. That we're not able to imagine for now. Before for a painter there was brushes and paints, now we have computers. Very indirect approach. And this indirectness grows. We don't play ourselves, we program. We set notes in pianorolls, we write scripts etc., etc. Computers are our slaves.

    Not AI, all part was played by guitar. But...

     
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    But why do computers have to pull off stuff LIKE THIS?

    R.E.M. wasn't pulling off the stuff like, say, Bach staff :no:
     
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    Good song for Eurovision :rofl:

    And another one...

     
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    I am talking about the human emotional element which computers cannot replicate. It took a lifetime of living and having many unique experiences, before they could get to that moment in time where they were able to express those emotions in an abstract way.
     
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    machines are able of making music much better than the human being
     
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