don't waste your time, it's precious and it's the only luxury we have.

music is too beautiful to be hijacked by no-ones and attention seekers who better go see a shrink instead of monopolizing such great places of share of knowledge and ressources this forum is.

there's a higher purpose in being able to express ourselves with emotion, and if there's one thing you should concentrate on : that's it.

 

Attention seeking? Monopolizing? (I made one post and didn't even start it - well, 2 now) Maybe you guys are projecting and making a whole lot of assumptions? This topic wasn't even about Zimmer. I'm pretty sure Zimmer doesn't need your attention, nor do I. I just expressed an opinion. I do understand how people can feel annoyed by things they feel are improper or below them or stupid or distasteful or done poorly or whatever. I'm not saying you're 100% wrong either (well, it's a bit too subjective to be 100% correct). Are you saying Miss Daisy needed a classical symphony as a soundtrack? Do I think it could be done better? Yes, probably. Do I care? Not really. Expect if that was so defining for your life. Then, dunno, make a petition or something.

I actually almost never listen to Zimmer. I'm not really a huge fan... I just don't think that what he does has no value because you happen to see it that way, from a certain perspective.

Don't see how it's contradictory. It does have a certain perspective. Looking at it just in terms of advanced music theory doesn't really cut it for me. There's style, timbre, production, intention, a lot of stuff. And it seems to work commercially, which is a main point. Not sure he's ever said he's redefined music, though he has certainly influenced certain aspects. Or when he talks about softer sounds, although often going unnoticed, filling the spectrum differently with timbres, textures, vibration and dimension that imparts a very different feel compared to louder, more piercing, fast decaying sounds, which the "epic" culture would normally associate him with. What I think he does excellently is fill up the frequency spectrum with very targeted pieces. Then of course he has a massive team, studio, budgets etc. But he didn't start that way. And he obviously does something right. It doesn't have to be purely about music either. Pretty sure his business sense and people skills are also rather sharp... I won't hate him just because he happens to be popular and successful, even if he shouldn't be by certain (not definitive and all-encompassing) standards. And I certainly think there's way worse than Zimmer, but who cares what I think anyway? Live and let live. I do seek nuance, otherwise I'd have made a blanket statement or none at all. I have my own share of things I dislike (Like a canvas painted black that is full of "meaning" or brutalist architecture or hot peppers. Again, if you wanna spend 100 million on that canvas, good, who cares? The "artist" will probably make better use of it anyway) but I generally don't feel the need to be combative. Music just happens to be a very open space where you can do your own thing without really caring about what others think (unless you serve a specific purpose or market etc., you can still have your own vision). Listen to and make whatever you like, you don't have to be defined by Zimmer. And if you do it and do it better, people will listen. Maybe different people, it doesn't have to appeal to everyone. You probably don't want uncultured masses as your audience anyway, do you? (Expect maybe if you can sell them that canvas for 100 million) So let them be and pursue your own thing and make your own mark. If you're that good, maybe you can even change their perspective. In a sense, we agree, you just choose to react narrowly to it. It's also easier to criticize than do/build/showcase. Would be curious to see what you'd do in his place. But you aren't. So, I only see words. Why should I listen to you? Compel me.

What if I think the higher purpose to your expression is only a classical symphony or a dubstep track? When all you wanna do is record farts and laugh at them? But I think you should have your perspective, if it's not [physically] hurtful to others. Maybe Zimmer is hurtful to you, but you don't have to listen to him. Occasionally you will see things you don't like. Too bad. You only control yourself and what you output. If Zimmer was that detestable then people would have rejected him. You can complain about his success and about people's standards but that doesn't change it. People accepted it for what it was, the world is how it is, it happened, get over it. They gave him his influence. So, you need to change the paradigm. If you can. The fact that something may be prevalent doesn't cancel everything else. It may make it harder but if you think it's worth it, you'll do it. Find your place and pursue what you want. If you don't succeed, you don't... Again, write a petition to God?

Another example:

You may think that's pretentious or whatever, and that's fine. I personally don't accept that he just sits there doing nothing. But I don't really need to convince anyone, nor do I intend to make a fully-fledged philosophical dissertation. I know I have some contradictions and biases, but I try to be open and focus on things I can personally, actually influence.

I will leave you to your pursuit of high culture. Spend your time on what you consider worth. You do you. Moving on... Yawn.

 

My problem with today's soundtracks is this:

Their producers don't study music down to the smallest/last detail. If you take DAWs and kontakt libraries from them, they won't be able to do anything. DAWs and kontakt are not the main tools. The main tools are the brain and knowledge of music and the knowledge of music is not obtained via mere mixing of sounds.

Who cares what I am saying.

 

Will you try to apply this to your pieces I've listened to?

 

"It may not be super (complex) but it... obviously does something better"

Not contradicting whatsoever. Similarly, spending time and paragraphs defending someone you claim indifference towards. The problems I have with Zimmer have been exhaustively, tediously written about here before, but are prolly better expressed (in length) by Headshot and all over YT (plagiarism et al). Anyway, best get back OT.

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In short: my issues are that he has been handed an influential position and given free reign; the perfect job with complete freedom to write imaginative, cutting-edge music using a limitless budget. He represents the safest, stalest option; robbing thousands of talented producers of the chance to be experimental. Robbing the world of (potentially) iconic scores, in favor of regurgitating mundane, two-note bombast. Ironic that Vangelis is now considered too avant-garde to write the Blade Runner 2049 score.

 

can you confirm a sighting of the ubiquitous, yet shy, Zimmerbot? if so, i will record it in my journal.

is agitated, hyperactive unconcern a usual characteristic behavior of the zimmerbot genus? very intriguing.

 

XD @refix. I'm not sure they are shy! Mostly they are loud, proud and form a bot-like crowd. Still white-knighting their beloved copyist all over YT and VI control or w/e. I think Gramofon lets slip something revealing ("file a petition to god") about how he really feels about his most divine creator; as well as the massed, religious legion behind Him.

 

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