This conversation started in another topic / thread, but it is a very important one

The only way people can be divided is by misguided beliefs about another, and that is what i believe us as mucisians are here to crumble

It is very important that our views about the world and another are based upon truth ( true past, and true what is going on right now )

somebody said something about the humans being the cause of all misery on this planet, and i am addressing this because i feel like many of you see this in this way

here we go ( from the other thread ):

I jump to this conversation from the outside of it

This is exactly how they ( who want you to think this way ) want you to think

Our false perception of the past, and news is required to keep you in that mindstate of hating the species you were born in to

When people hate on themselves, it is way easier to make them take all of that anger out to another being. When people feel they need to hide parts of whom they are, just to get by, it is way easier to make them pick on someone else for " a perceived flaw " ( consider raceisms of all sorts ).

This is how people, who appear to themselves and even some people around them, who have the appearance amongst themselves to do good, to actually go out and police on others.

This is how the so called environmentalists, are turned against humanity both within them and amongst everyone.

The belief that humans, were born from apes, and that most of us are stupid and that we created all of the problems on this planet that is a threat to all the species on this planet > Is exactly the most depressing, most debilitating bullcrap and a belief they, who want you to think in the most debilitating and self humiliating way, want you to think and believe in

You need to look at your perspective of history, what is it based upon?

Only a sound understanding of what is going on, and what has been going on, can bring positive progress ( no, am i right or wrong, come on tell me i am right ? )

Have you looked at the history books, as to what proof there actually is that humans are descendants from the same ancestor as apes?

If you believe in that, i know you haven t ( looked in to it, and no there are no fossil records no there is nothing, when you actually look at the evidence, there is not even a single study that has been done to show why and how people would be descending from same ancestor as apes, when it was already taught as truth in the so called school systems ).

I actually started looking in to, Just the Truth of things, when i was 4-5 years old. I happened to learn to read so early, not saying i am better than others but it was a headstart, that got me in to great trouble when i went to school.

I asked the first class teacher questions like " how do you know God exists ? " or " what proof do you have for God existing like you say right now you believe in, and what is the basis of your teachings about God and religion ? "

I also asked questions about the Fossil strata and Dinosaurs and the basis of our beliefs about the history of man, when i could not find one university level history book ( at the age of seven ) that had any reliable evidence or anything that would show it logical to conclude "yes it must be so"

This got me in to great problems with the education system, i got put in to all kinds of behavioral control structures and punishments that just would never stop

Because i asked a Question i had many more coming, that a first grade teacher was simply not equipped to answer

Now me as a 7 year old child, i would have expected the teacher to answer as to
-why does she say god exists and that she can prove her point when asked
-what is the basis of our beliefs about our ancestry in general?

I genuinely expected as a child, that these are easy questions for an authoritative figure to answer to

And please, guys, we are here to make music and elevate to being of another

Please do your research and see what your beliefs are based upon

We can t go around blaming others are stupid like Apes, when we don t even know what our beliefs ( about us having the same ancestry with an ape ) is based upon ( that is ape stupid in itself )

So please be sure what your beliefs are built upon

Just a couple pointers:

For example,

1. there is no way of dating bones longer than a certain period old ( some 60 thousand years old )

How ever, when you put dinosaur bones in to any of them C14 date reader machines, they give out readings ( which they should not were a. our methods of dating things solid and b. were they truly as old as we are told to, and were our perception of the past based on anytyhing real )

Ask yourselves, why does it have to be Creationists, who are the only ones dating these bones like this, and revealing the bullshit ( alhtough they believe in another form of bullshit themselves, but why does it have to be the creationists who are revealing this level of bullshit ) going on in our scientific communities, that people teach Dinosaurs died 65 million years ago, yet their bones give out readings on methods that should not give out any readings beyond 60 000 year old bones, because the method is based on the lessification of Carbon 14 over certain periods of time

2. See how many maps of Rome, you can find, from that supposed era of the existence of the supposed existence of Rome. See how many maps by their adversaries, their enemies or even by the so called Romans can you find from that supposed era of its existence.

If the Story about Rome were true, you would expect to find atleast one map ( from that era ), correct?

3. See what the original face of the Sphinx looked like ( a face of a black woman ) before Napolens troops shot is face off

( this was drawn by the artist who traveled with military, before it was defaced )

They needed it to be shot, so the belief in to subhumans originating from Africa could be kept alive.

The Truth about the matter, that Black people actually had a thriving continent with high tech to build pyramids out of Rose Quartz ( needs diamond tools to this day to be worked on, that s higher tech than we have currently ) - this truth does not fit anyones beliefs in to humans originating from apes in africa

A hight tech culture, that is actually ahead of the culture today, built by people with melanin in their skin? That would not fit this artificial idea of history that has to be taught to people, so the racial divides can be more easier maintained



Please all of y all who say ( or pretend? ) to be men of Science,

check what your beliefs are based upon

There is crazy stuff going on on this planet, and you can not have all your beliefs about humans doing things out of stupidity, be based on our media and education systems because you know those are not here to show you what and how things are

they could be, but they are not and have not been used for that on this planet

So if you believe men are the cause of climate change....

...find a map of Siberia, before 16th Century that has Ice on it

And that is where you begin to see which ones of your beliefs are worthy of upholding

 

Humanity reached its peak in the 70s, its all downhill from there.
The world is way too overpopulated and stupid people just have more stupid children.
Too many cant handle the tech, its all going to get even worse.
The only way we have a chance is if we shut down the grid and end the mass madness.
Yamaha gives me hope though.

 

I stopped reading at
The belief that humans, were born from apes
This is totally incorrect and shows you are ill prepared to discuss a subject with which you have little understanding. Evolutionary biology is a complex science and musicians are best advised not to try and be experts in both.

 

This seems to be gaining ground as a common...thought.
So, @Von_Steyr, you are a Georgia Stones kind of person?

So you are in agreement with @Zealious, who says the same thing in the same sentence?

C'mon though @Zealious. I dig your vibe. Similar to @wasgedn.
But this is a music related forum. Plus I don't think this kind of stuff is allowed; as per the rules.

 

Firstly, I don't believe anybody who tells me they began asking questions relating to philosophy and existentialism at the age of 4 especially when they can't construct a grammatically correct sentence as an adult and actually, yes, that is what he's saying about us being a descendent of apes, and I'll quote

If you believe in that, i know you haven t ( looked in to it, and no there are no fossil records no there is nothing, when you actually look at the evidence, there is not even a single study that has been done to show why and how people would be descending from same ancestor as apes

 

Not a single study! That would be news for everyone from Darwin to Dawkins.

 

Sorry mate. I must have misunderstood something along the way!
I thought you were saying the same as this sentence:

 

? Sorry, what? He is what? Maybe I've had a stroke. I'm confused...

 

He's telling us that "conventional scientific wisdom" is depressing bullcrap because it fills our heads with totally baseless information about evolution, which he insists has no evidence nor study to back it up.

 

Also in doubt is the existence of dinosaurs since our child prodigy was reading at a university level and concluded thus:

I also asked questions about the Fossil strata and Dinosaurs and the basis of our beliefs about the history of man, when i could not find one university level history book ( at the age of seven ) that had any reliable evidence or anything that would show it logical to conclude "yes it must be so"

No evidence of dinosaurs. Nothing to see here folks. Move along.

 

The original post is simply garbage. I used to feel angry about these types of deranged opinions, wherever they're expressed, but now I feel only sadness for the state of the poster's utterly deluded mind.
On a bad day, I also feel concerned about how many people are similarly and dangerously deluded.
And I feel very disappointed in myself for bothering to respond to it.

 

Quote from The Rules...

0-points - Dishonored content
Includes: Flat-earth theories, non-political conspiracy theories,

 

There are so many holes in your logic that I don't even know where to begin. And I didn't even read the whole thing. I can only ignore so many grammatical errors before I lose interest in what someone is attempting to say. I find it very hard to believe that you learned how to read at the age of 4 or 5. You claim to have been researching this subject since that age as well, yet the only piece of evidence you offer is a picture from a stock image site? Seriously??? You're the one who needs to check your beliefs in history. Napoleon's troops didn't, and I'm going to quote you here, "shot is face off." I'm assuming you meant to say "shot his face off," but didn't you just claim the Sphinx was a woman? There is clear evidence that the nose of the Sphinx was removed with a chisel. Nobody shot it's face off. And this happened long before Napoleon stepped a foot into Egypt. These are just a few of the things I noticed wrong with your long and badly thought out rant. Give the conspiracy sites a rest dude. Here's a crazy idea. Why not go make some music? Or at least just devote more time to things that you know are real.

 

More interestingly, @flyingsleeves, I have your avatar as a t-shirt I bought in the film memorabilia store in Soho, London, 20 years ago.
But it was only when I saw the original, your avatar, that I realised they'd cleverly photoshopped the cans & cable out!
So pointless!

 

It's the constant misuse of the comma in the OP's post that really pisses me off.

 

No such thing as proof. What there is, is evidence. And it isn't in history books! It's in Biology books about evolution. lol

As for carbon dating, yes it only goes back 50,000 years. But that isn't what is used to date geology ie the rocks in which fossils are found. You date the rocks, thereby getting the age of the fossil. There lots of ways of dating things, not just carbon-dating. See below:



Name of Method
Age Range of Application Material Dated
Methodology

Radiocarbon
1 - 70,000 years
Organic material such as bones, wood, charcoal, shells
Radioactive decay of 14C in organic matter after removal from bioshpere

K-Ar dating 1,000 - billion of years
Potassium-bearing minerals and glasses
Radioactive decay of 40K in rocks and minerals

Uranium-Lead
10,000 - billion of years
Uranium-bearing minerals
Radioactive decay of uranium to lead via two separate decay chains

Uranium series
1,000 - 500,000 years
Uranium-bearing minerals, corals, shells, teeth, CaCO3
Radioactive decay of 234U to 230Th

Fission track
1,000 - billion of years
Uranium-bearing minerals and glasses
Measurement of damage tracks in glass and minerals from the radioactive decay of 238U

Luminescence (optically or thermally stimulated)
1,000 - 1,000,000 years
Quartz, feldspar, stone tools, pottery
Burial or heating age based on the accumulation of radiation-induced damage to electron sitting in mineral lattices

Electron Spin Resonance (ESR)
1,000 - 3,000,000 years
Uranium-bearing materials in which uranium has been absorbed from outside sources
Burial age based on abundance of radiation-induced paramagnetic centers in mineral lattices

Cosmogenic Nuclides
1,000 - 5,000,000 years
Typically quartz or olivine from volcanic or sedimentary rocks
Radioactive decay of cosmic-ray generated nuclides in surficial environments

Magnetostratigraphy 20,000 - billion of years
Sedimentary and volcanic rocks
Measurement of ancient polarity of the earth's magnetic field recorded in a stratigraphic succession

Tephrochronology
100 - billions of years
Volcanic ejecta
Uses chemistry and age of volcanic deposits to establish links between distant stratigraphic successions



When all these things (and more) together point to a specific conclusion, then that is very good evidence. Not proof, just evidence.

 

That's 'cos the OP is most likely a crypto (or maybe recovering) young earth creationist, outraged at the prospect of a careless universe.

All truly unsubstantiated nonsense of course. The bit about ancient rose quartz pyramids literally had me on the floor.

However, the bluff that the rich & powerful (exploiters all) have managed in projecting their responsibilty for the toxicity of the modern age onto 'our' shoulders is a fucking disgrace. The collective guilt is theirs alone. We just do what we're told...

The human question is not simian or subjective but entirely socio-political. i.e just what kind of future should we collectively seek to make real? But as @Smoove Grooves says, those round here are humble music folk guv, unable to discuss anything else sensibly... and maybe that's true, but given the omnipresent 'realities' of the real world in 2019, hard to ignore or escape ultimately.

 

Well, no. It didn't. You just posted the same on the end of a thread. Not really a convo, eh?

 

Uh, don't misquote me!
All I said was:

 

This is preposterous! I'm not a descendant of stupid apes! Look at my photo. Do I look like them?