Moving from Win 10 LTSB to LTSC

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  1. Pereira

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    Is there some skilled mate on the board that can tell me if there is a way to move (upgrading) from LTSB to LTSC without a clean install?. I mean without the need to reinstall all the existing stuff already on LTSC?

    BTW, its not totally clear here what are the differences (and the advantages) of LTSC, but just to know......
    Thanks in advance
     
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  3. Maizelman

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    That's supereasy: :wink:

    Mount the LTSC image and execute the setup. It wil guide you through everything. Took me about 15 min to upgrade from my 1607 LTSB to 1809 which is the latest LTSC.

    From 2019
    " it won't be called LTSB anymore but LTSC. LTSC stands for Long-Term Servicing Channel, and it is the new term for that special branch for Enterprise customers."

    "As far as support is concerned, there are two types of channels that administrators need to know about:
    Semi-Annual Channel -- will be supported for 18 months from the date of release.
    Long-Term Servicing Channel -- will be supported for 10 years from the date of
    release."

    Have fun with it an don't forget to disable all unnecessary sh@t
    I use Win10 tweaker for that. Really really useful :dj:
     
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  4. Pereira

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    Thanks a bunch for the info: is it necessary a new activation? And do you think that the next FSP update will be also for LTSC version?
     
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    Had to activate again because I got some message sometimes if I remember correctly. Used an activation script. Will send you the link in a sec..
    Whats FSP? Flight Simulator Pro? :bleh:
     
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  7. tzzsmk

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    I did some upgrades from 1607 LTSB to 1809 LTSC, it's really simple, no need to create bootable usb flash stick and shizz like that,
    just mount the image and run the upgrade;
    in terms of functionality, it will try to adopt your current system, so some features may bug or crash out, for me it was network which settings I had to reset via windows troubleshooter, and search does not work at all
     
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    were can i grab the win 10 LTSC image please to upgrade from my 1607 LTSB to 1809 which is the latest LTSC.???
     
  10. Pereira

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    This is not a negligible issue indeed......

    @ sir jack spratsky
    sorry, I have only an italian one, and not the most updated.
     
  11. r4e

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    Check out the My Digital Life Forums.

    You can find ways to any original MS iso's there and if you're looking for the english ltsc iso,
    ask google for that file: en_windows_10_enterprise_ltsc_2019_x64_dvd_74865958.iso
     
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    Even if it does, you can completely remove Cortana using some of the programs from this list: https://www.ghacks.net/2015/08/14/comparison-of-windows-10-privacy-tools/
    You can find more background services to delete manually by using process explorer and checking if they're system critical. For instance I deleted some windows live ID dlls that are always loaded in the background with Emco MoveOnBoot (could also be done from a linux distro) because it's not like I ever need that shit. searchui.exe is another one of those you can delete. Also always check services.msc and msconfig and task scheduler for redundant services. Especially when you install new programs it can add new shit there. You can also disable a lot of things using autoruns from sysinternals.
     
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    I was reading the LTSC doesn't contain Cortana, Edge, MS Store and stuff like that
    but I didn't test the new ltsc until now. Anyways a year ago or so, I found the little
    tool Win 10 Tweaker, also mentioned by Mainzelman before, which also has an english GUI.
    With that tool you can remove and tweak anything that bothers you.

    Or if you want to remove everything before installation, check out NTLite.
    Both tools are to pay for but google helps you if you want to "try before buy" ;)

    And then there are the nice free tools from O&O Software, AppBuster and ShutUp10.
    that can be used for same purposes - plus they are from a very trustworthy comnpany.
     
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    Thanks a lot for the infos r4e, did you see anything about FLS update (seems to be programmed for the end of may) and its "magical" effect on memory management?
     
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    What magical memory effect?
    Just tested the latest beta for the new flex plugin and then deleted it again.
     
  17. Pereira

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    flex plugin? Maybe we are not speaking about the same thing

    I refer to this, see
    https://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/1202511-end-windows-pro-production-fls-limit.html

    that start as follows

    "As many people are probably aware, Microsoft introduced a limit to static linked libraries - FLS slots. This limits the number of unique plugins one can run in a DAW to somewhere around 79 slots in Cubase and Nuendo. This can vary depending on how many links the DAW uses itself.
    For those not aware of this here is the breakdown:
    1 - Each plugin uses at least one FLS slot. If the plugin is written to use dynamically linked libraries, only the first instance uses any FLS slots, with each additional instance using no more.
    So if EQ-A uses 1 FLS slot, but is dynamically linked, 50 instances still use only 1 slot.
    2 - However, with statically linked plugins, each instance eats up FLS slots. So if EQ-B uses 1 slot, 50 instances use 50 slots.
    3 - VIs can vary. Some VIs use 4-5 slots. Arturia's Analog Lab uses 43 - over half the available slots, leaving very little room for additional unique VIs and plugins to mix. Basically, some projects are impossible to run in real time and must be rendered to stems to mix, or even compiled across 2 or more projects.
    4 - This limit didn't exist in Windows 7 (as far as I know - never ran into it even on very large mixes). This becomes a big issue for many people is attempting to load projects from an older PC on a Win8/10 PC and having some plugins simply not load (e.g. you end up having to remix with fewer plugins).
    So the question is - how many Windows users are running up against this limit? How are you dealing with it, and/or is it serious enough for you consider switching to a Mac?
    This is quickly becoming a showstopper for me and others. Since this limit doesn't exist on OSX, I am weighing the many tradeoffs of switching. Given how easily it is to hit the limit, I can't see Windows 10 surviving in the pro market - certainly not post (which is probably 99% Mac/PT anyway), but even for the average music producer, this can be a serious limitation not unlike the old days of managing TDM plugin limits with ProTools. It seems to me that unless Microsoft changes this limit, many of us may have no choice but to switch......."

    FLS is an update for win 10 that will be available soon, I think end of may; maybe for the first time windows will be a full professional option for audio producer
     
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    for my specific case of modded LTSB used before :D
    btw I rarely use Windows since autumn 2016, hackintosh is actually so much less hassle that Windows 10 I doubt I'd actually ever go back to Windows as production OS
     
  19. Pereira

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    you are a rich man, you can.........:rofl:
     
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    Something more specific about FLS on next win 10 update
    https://pureinfotech.com/windows-10-1903-19h1-april-2019-update-features/
    "....Fiber Local Storage (FLS)
    Also, in this new version, Windows 10 is increasing per-process Fiber Local Storage slot allocation. This change will positively impact any application that dynamically loads hundreds or thousands of unique DLLs that have statically-linked Visual C++ runtimes, or otherwise allocate FLS slots..."
     
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  21. Marsupilami

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    Hi Pereira, the FLS issue can become a problem solver, but:

    "UPDATED 4/28: Windows 10 version 1903, May 2019 Update, is expected to rollout at the end of May, and here are all the new features and changes that Microsoft has added to the new version thus far."

    Looks like a tad patience is required.
     
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