Most transparent Limiter?

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  1. Evo

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    I write for accurate tests done personally as a professional sound engineer years ago, not by hearsay.

    You quoted me, well.
    You say previously "Ozone Maximizer is transparent" aka digital brickwall peak limiter with a makeup gain compared to a dynamics processor with a compression ratio.
    Personally I think Maximizer is the spartan way to say that is used by people that have 0 knowledge with 0 control.
    If you compare the limiter and maximizer plugins by looking at the output audio waveforms in comparison with the input waveform. The limiter will leave the waveform untouched until a peak occurs in which case it will dip the signal level. A maximiser will raise the entire level of the waveform and then apply limiting to the peaks.
    Transparent my ass.
     
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    I wonder that nobody mentionend DMGAudio TrackLimit (is similar to FF Pro-L2).

    And btw, I wouldn't call Waves L2 transparent anymore (in comparison to modern limiters).

    I once made a comparison between Cubase's stock limiter and maximizer. They sounded the same, the only difference was that the maximizer had an auto gain makeup function, that's all.
     
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    darthloud Producer

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    the atack and release of the maximazer or limiter that will make your sound sound loud and transparent, if you do not know how to correctly define the atack and release, no tool will work, be it the best in the world
     
  4. Evo

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    You put me dislike for what? Argument your dislike and document. For now I read only speechless things.


    As I said before the difference is:
    not only a gain makeup function. ANYWAY...……….
    A comparison for same stock plugin is very pointless. The comparison have sense if you compare that with other brand. But let me say this:
    Sounded the same doesn't mean they are the same. "Sounded the same" is objective and personal.
    Analyze that plugins with a Nyquist plot for phase, filters, harmonic distortions, than you can put your conclusion here. If they sound the same, well we see it with this graphics.
    I don't have Cubase for testing it.
    If they don't sound the same the plot speak for himself. That's the point of the thread.

    Test Cubase stock limiter, KClip, Ozone Maximizer and StandardCLIP.

    Go ahead, test it and post the result. That's all.



    EDIT: For anyone who want to test something, use this:
    https://music.tutsplus.com/tutorials/how-to-use-the-vst-plugin-analyzer--audio-22494
    https://ddmf.eu/plugindoctor/
    You can use RX too btw
     
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    :woot::woot::woot:

    Neither Cubase's maximizer, nor the limiter had a compression ratio. Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying.

    Aha. And why is this so, please?

    Well, if it looks like a pig and sounds like a pig, you can call it monkey, but...

    Err, no. I can put my conclusion/obervation/listening experiences... here whenever I want to, unless a mod tells me something different, not you.

    Err, no. The point of this thread is stated in its title 'Most transparent Limiter?'
     
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    Ozone IRC 4
     
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  8. Evo

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    Even a PIG can understand that the "brickwall peak limiter with a makeup gain compared to a dynamics processor with a compression ratio" AS I SAID BEFORE, is referred to Ozone Maximizer and StandardCLIP, but yes let's continue to say bullshit. Son, do you understand?
    I'm telling you a secret, a LIMITER is a COMPRESSOR. Saying that Cubase Limiter and Maximizer have not compression ratio is WRONG. My friend maybe you are tired. I'm tired too.
     
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    Nope, kid, I still don't understand what my comparison between Cubase's stock limiter and maximizer has to do with compression ratio, like you did in post #24.

    Keep it safe, bro.

    :facepalm: Jesus fucking Christ, ofc they have one, the same, infinite.
     
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    To be honest, I do not believe you have thought one moment about what you have written there.
     
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  12. Evo

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    :) Infinite is Brickwall.



    You say that Cubase Maximizer or the Cubase Limiter had no compression ratio. Is not "OFCOURSE IS HAS A RATIO" and the ratio is not Infinite, infinite is the ratio of Cubase Brickwall Limiter. Hope this time you understand. BASICS, anyway.
     
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    I think I'm in the cinematic action, urban, epic, drama space which I call "thematic sounds of one hand clapping" :disco:
     
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    Anybody have anything to say about Slate FG-X? Anything that doesn't start with "all Slate stuff is sh*t"
     
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    All you friends forgot old Abbey Road EMI TG12345. It´s the only one I use and even very scarcely.
     
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    I tried it some years ago, didn't convince me, soundwise.
     
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    Limiter 6 plus DSM can get insane levels.
     
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    You're not kidding! I upgraded my system a couple weeks ago to an i9-9900k, 64GB, NVME drives, etc., etc. and then remembered how I had been unable to do much of anything mutilband in KClip with the previous build - certainly I'd be able to now!! Right? Nope. Of course it's somewhat more forgiving than it was (the new system is 3 or 4x my previous one) but still, can't use all four bands generally and some clipping types are far more CPU demanding than others - all this at 44.1. I tried at 192k for laughs - loaded up a single-band clipper - crash. I began to write to them (I've bought all of their clipper series) seeing what on Earth they expect your specs to be to run KClip 3! I'm a computer shop owner & tech of 25 years so it's nothing I was doing - it's the veracious appetite of that plug - most CPU hungry thing I've ever seen, bar none.


    EDIT / UPDATE: So much for "Nothing I was doing" . . . I revisited KClip3 today and realized that 'quality' / oversampling changes do NOT take effect until the plug is closed / reopened - it was default to highest oversampling (5x). I set a default for 4x and all is MUCH better now, my CPU easily handles it. I was changing the oversampling in the plug without reopening up until now so the whole time I was thinking it couldn't even handle 1x quality in multi-band. Figured I'd post this in case it helps anyone else.
     
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    I'm researching components and just wondering if you could tell me what motherboard you're using? Trying to get a feel for that i9 in my prospective situation aslo.

    FG-X is far from shit. I've heard a lot of excellent broadcastquality stuff that seemed a bit more on the sharp "present" but still super clean ability. To compare to L2 "transparent mode" which is my go-to it would seem to have a slightly sharper edge, which sounds like its less transparent but still not imo.
     
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    Sure - I'm using a Gigabyte Designare Z390 - so far it's been great. Got it mainly for the TBolt 3 support (going to swap out the USB in my Hilo for TB), but it lacks a bit in the SATA dept as using the lower PCIe M.2 controller for my OS drive takes up one SATA controllers' resources, leaving 5. If you use the second / upper PCIe M.2 another 2 SATA controllers disappear - I didn't, but still had to add a controller card to support all my drives / optical. It's a mastering setup so haven't tested for latency during tracking, but I imagine it's excellent (different system for that all-together). Don't want to hijack this thread on limiters to talk computer components but hope that helps, if you want any more details just PM me, glad to tell you anything else that may be useful!
     
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