Mixing at 192 khz vs. 44.1 khz.

Discussion in 'Mixing and Mastering' started by Giggity, Feb 15, 2019.

  1. Olaf

    Olaf Platinum Record

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2011
    Messages:
    550
    Likes Received:
    232
    • Interesting Interesting x 1
    • List
  2.  
  3. There is most certainly a nyquist effect at every frequency when recording, it's just that you and I can't hear it at 44.1 and if you're worried you can use the old pro standard of 48kHz.
     
  4. Fooknose. I don't use it and I don't really care.
     
  5. Smoove Grooves

    Smoove Grooves Audiosexual

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2019
    Messages:
    5,208
    Likes Received:
    1,981
    Yes; freezing a midi track will create audio, in all daws.
    Seems, from your grammar in above quote, that you don't realise that freezing a MIDI track will create audio?
    And unfreezing should give you back the same instances of any plugins on that strip, contrary to what you said above.

    Sorry if this seems a pointless post, but the grammar illustrated to me that you may have a misunderstanding, is all.
    But I am pedantic with grammar!

    There is nothing more perfect than @Fudsey Plange has said, re. workflow.
     
  6. wasgedn

    wasgedn Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2014
    Messages:
    3,184
    Likes Received:
    1,258
    Location:
    Germany
    what : fooknose's ? or recoils workflow ?:mad:
     
  7. wasgedn

    wasgedn Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2014
    Messages:
    3,184
    Likes Received:
    1,258
    Location:
    Germany
    i go from what i read in forums , members and my own experience...lets send them my lite unupdated and lets compare and even then they maybe bla² ...they sell stuff....new stuff...so in what their interested...

    woohhhoooo
     
  8. wasgedn

    wasgedn Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 9, 2014
    Messages:
    3,184
    Likes Received:
    1,258
    Location:
    Germany
    what uses more cpu a freez audio track or a og audio track ? do we kno ?
    i have feeling a freeze track uses more at least in life...i dunno
     
  9. Smoove Grooves

    Smoove Grooves Audiosexual

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2019
    Messages:
    5,208
    Likes Received:
    1,981
    Look, I know I have a big nose, but...lol

    Nah, I don't use Fooknose and I don't really care, either.
    It was better in 32bit days, but the 64bit version just sounds too nasal.
    I now use 4fuxache.
     
  10. Smoove Grooves

    Smoove Grooves Audiosexual

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2019
    Messages:
    5,208
    Likes Received:
    1,981
    Love it!
     
  11. Daskeladden

    Daskeladden Rock Star

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2018
    Messages:
    986
    Likes Received:
    374
    same, freeze is .wav files at least that's how it works in Ableton. If I unfreeze and change something in the track and freeze it again it will create a new .wav file. I will then manually delete the old .wave file in the freeze folder. Freeze or making a .wav file is necessary for all if they wanna record live vocals or instruments while "playing" heavy plugins with low latency. The sweet spot is around 3.5 ms overall latency. Everybody has to do it with no exceptions this is due to the limitations of technology. If people saying they have heavy plugins like Omnisphere, Kontakt, Izotope Nectar 3 and Ample Audio while recording live instruments with overall latency under 3ms they are lying. Only way to do that is through freezing or creating .wav files. When I freeze the the tracks while recording vocals I can do it with overall latency around 1.3ms (sample rate 96 buffer size 32) without pops and clicks. Normally I would have 64 buffer size with overall latency to 1.6ms. When I do more like mixing stuff I just turn the buffer size up to 512 (no need for freezing) and don't have any clicks and pops, but then of course the the overall latency are too high for recording live stuff.
    (I freeze both midi tracks and audio tracks, cause I often have heavy plugins on vocals and live instruments).
    Freeze = Creating a .wav file but it is not uploaded (only linked) to Ableton, so just unfreeze to go back.
    Flatten = Creating a .wav file and it is uploaded to Ableton replacing the track. No going back.
     
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2019
  12. Blue

    Blue Audiosexual

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2015
    Messages:
    1,807
    Likes Received:
    954
    I do know what freezing a track means.But in S1 I actually didn't know how to un-freeze a track,if I want to modify something on the (midi) track which have been frozen(or "freezed",I'm not sure how you say that in English).

    In S1 it's not as simple and explicit as in Cubase or Live.They complicate things uselessly.
     
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2019
  13. Blue

    Blue Audiosexual

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2015
    Messages:
    1,807
    Likes Received:
    954
    That's absolutly what I said,sorry if my explanations weren't clear.
     
  14. PsiloCybin

    PsiloCybin Newbie

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2017
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ignorance is the root of all evil , this is why nothing is improving , or getting fixed , people like you bury their heads in the sand ..... it’s bad , it’s really really bad , and if you think we gunna be getting past 2040 without any real change now , then you must be seriously in denial deluded ..... but it’s inevitable so embrace the end for new beginnings

    I pity your mind ... https://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/in...-the-end-of-civilization-so-far-its-on-target

    This is based on resource and how much of it here is to sustain population that has exploded over the last 100 years .... common sense is all you need to to know that overall the worlds calamities are increasing ... knife crime in London and the U.K. in genral , pedos , rapists and murderers that’s native to our own country is just the icing on the cake .....

    It’s a steady rise to total calamity, if you can’t see that then , good luck to ya ...

    Oh and music has been used for manipulation of the teenage mind since the 80s ....... if teenagers were properly groomed in taking this planets life seriously in return yours , most problems would be addressed , but the like to keep the common joe , dumb , powerless and well .... common ! They do that with music , to create types of backward fake societies ....mundane , so from that , one rolls the ball , the others follow suit .... they don’t have their own minds and do not know any better !

    Ontopic - Melda offers 1-16x over sampling on most of their plugins
     
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2019
  15. anthonyclass

    anthonyclass Newbie

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2013
    Messages:
    6
    Likes Received:
    0
    Hi.
    I record, mix, and mastering at 88.2khz is the exact multiple of 44.1
    with what you make sure you do not lose so many bits and depth if you do it from 192 to 44.1
    regards :winker:
     
  16. Recoil

    Recoil Guest

    Never say never, they used to say that 256KB of memory is enough for everything, they were wrong :)
     
  17. Xupito

    Xupito Audiosexual

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2012
    Messages:
    6,983
    Likes Received:
    3,855
    Location:
    Europe
    Well, I'm positive in 5-10 years there would be this same debate with 192 vs 384Khz.

    No matter if it's good or not, only for the elitist part it'll just happen. Human nature...

    Now I remember Vlad of VoS, the great free plugin developer talking against 192Khz because of inter-modulation distortion that increases a lot with big sampling frequencies.
     
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2019
    • Interesting Interesting x 1
    • List
  18. Kwissbeats

    Kwissbeats Audiosexual

    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2014
    Messages:
    1,562
    Likes Received:
    653
    acustica audio plugins seem to respond differently on diffrent sample rates,
    howerever 48 khz is the highest possible setting for me to keep a usefull workflow (lacking cpu power)
     
  19. Exact multiples make absolutely no difference at all.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Like Like x 1
    • List
  20. orbitbooster

    orbitbooster Audiosexual

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2018
    Messages:
    966
    Likes Received:
    559
    Read Ethan Winer - "The Audio Expert", section "MYTH-information".
    Reading this book is like discerning astronomy from astrology.

    There was a time when I was almost convinced by some so called audiophile to believe in a lot of bs.

    But, of course there will always be someone who claims to have ears sensitivity properties not yet explained by science.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Like Like x 1
    • Interesting Interesting x 1
    • List
Loading...
Similar Threads - Mixing Forum Date
Mixing advice? Mixing and Mastering Yesterday at 12:48 PM
Do you guys feel bad charging friends for mixing/mastering work? Lounge Apr 2, 2024
The Top 10 Mixing and Mastering Engineers According To Jaxsta Industry News Mar 3, 2024
Studio gear (tape machines, mixing desks etc.) sample library Samplers, Synthesizers Mar 2, 2024
Drum mixing Mixing and Mastering Feb 14, 2024
Loading...