Sampler to replace synth?

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  1. Moonlight

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    I used to use Avengger for exact that purpose, it lets you combine multisamples with wavetable and even edit its partials. Besides that I use Serum for WaveTables
     
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    Falcon indeed looks interesting. But until they offer a demo I wont invest in them. Who knows how it performs on my system ...
     
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    A bit offtopic, but did you know that you can autosample vst synths with diskodsp bliss? It even bounces offline so it is blazing fast. It lets you export sfz files whoich can be easily loded with TAL for example or you just load teh samples in avenger kontakt etc

    simply awesome !
     
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    regarding Transwave's of Fizmo. Anyone got samples of those transwaves ?
     
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    It's a shame TAL doesn't support velocity and round robin layers with sfz
     
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    "Thanks" for reminding me I sold that extremely great sampler. :mad: [lol] It's got pretty unique functions for manipulating waveforms ["transwaves"], and a fabulous sounding FX section. A very creative sampler. Never sell it! :wink:
     
  7. Nana Banana

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    As far as I know, the only commercially available Fizmo samples are in UVI Digital Synsations Vol. 2 and for Ableton in Puremagnetik Waveframe. I have UVI's version, and it just makes me long to get my hands on the real deal. Are there any other Fizmo samples besides these 2 out there?

    Edit:
    A quick search found: https://freesound.org/people/parabolix/packs/15586/
     
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    I'm pretty sure I have some MR Rack transwave samples [pre-Fizmo] somewhere but I cannot find them in my sample folder. Weird.
     
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  9. The Bitwig sampler is a beast for this sort of thing.
     
  10. kims

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    I have Falcon and know that it can do this, although i only use the sampler
    its steady as a rock, and the crew on UVI are extremely helpful
     
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    What about the waveboy transwaves?? Can Arturia Pigments load custom transwaves?? I used to have the Waveboy Transwaves for the ASR and EPS16+ and didn't know what the hell I was doing when I had them.

    Would be cool if there was a modern software sampler that could make use of those transwaves.
     
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  12. Blue

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    But if you do that,don't you have any problem with pitch?Usually you need to know your the pitch of your sample if you want to import it in a wavetable synths,right?
     
  13. Nana Banana

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    Yes, but it's a matter of tuning. I've been doing this for so long, I can usually hear the correct pitch, plus or minus a few cents, depending on the harmonics. But It is matter of fine tuning in the end. After I sample, I have a tuned Sine Wave playing in the background, and I begin to select and loop single cycled sections of the sample until I find the correct pitch in Audition, after which I then save the selected single cycle, and import it into my synth of choice, and then further fine tune it as an oscillator if needed. The closer your initial tuning before import, the less chance of any high pitch artifacts in the final result.

    I have yet to try this in Kontakt, but I do this all the time in Synthesizers. There are a lot out there that allow you to do this. For instance: 3xOSC, Absynth, Alchemy, MetaSynth, , Symbolic Sound Kyma, Reaktor, Ableton Simpler, Serum, Ana2, Synthmaster One, VPS Avenger etc... And there are Hardware synths that can also import SC's like the Waldorf Quantum, Shruthi-1, Roland MC-909, Elektron Monomachine, Elektron Octatrack, Dave Smith Evolver etc...

    But you don't always have to use my method, depending on the instrument you choose. In VPS Avenger for example, you turn on "Resample", set wavetable fade mode to "Zero" and turn that up until the wave sounds artifact-free. Save for latter use. Using the wavelength - set to 128 or 256 - helps additionally to reduce unwanted high end.

    Sound Designers like Galbanum, have mastered this process. Here's the specifications and tuning they use:

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    Also here's a cool single cycle reference to check out Galbanum created that showcases the different types:

    https://www.galbanum.com/content/pr...ArchitectureWaveforms2010_ReferenceManual.pdf


    All of this talk about "Single Cycles" is really a method that digital synth manufacturers have been using for years, known as PCM Synthesis or "Pulse-code modulation", a method used to digitally represent sampled analog signals. It is the standard form of digital audio in computers, compact discs, digital telephony and other digital audio applications. In a PCM stream, the amplitude of the analog signal is sampled regularly at uniform intervals, and each sample is quantized to the nearest value within a range of digital steps.


     
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    Are there any applications that automate the process?
     
  15. SineWave

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    If you don't enjoy the process of doing it "manually", it's rather useless to do it. The sounds you do yourself could invoke a really enjoyable creative process that could end up with a really great song/track.

    I'm not saying you have to make every sound in a song yourself for the song to be remarcable, but it feels cool when you do make some sounds of your own. In the end, they could become your signature sounds.:wink:
     
  16. Nana Banana

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    SineWave is absolutely correct. I really love the entire process. It adds a unique touch, and brings the creativity of your music down to it's fundamental signature. Here's a complete tutorial using Audacity that gives the process more detail: https://groovesizer.com/make-your-own-single-cycle-waveforms/ There are however a few "helpers" out there. I just found one that's actually available online here: http://scw.sheetsofsound.com/
     
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    I agree with you 100%,but when you have some Galbanu libraries alike,with 20 000 single cycle waveforms,isn't it enough to play with??With this amount of single cycle waveforms,nobody will build the same wavetables as yours.

    But it's interesting and rewarding to make your owns,sure.
     
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    One instrument nobody has mentioned is Renoise's Redux. It has everything to serve as a multi-layered, single-cycled synth and then some!
     
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  19. fraifikmushi

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    I would advise to cut at the zero-crossing.
     
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  20. wouala woualouf

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    If you watch some Junkiexl videos, you will notice he must not be far away from the 100 million euros mark...and you will also notice pretty much most of his hardware has been midified, and also got a usb kit. .. where the floppy drive is replaced by a usb kit, pretty much everything that device would store on that floppy drive, presets, settings, samples, etc, etc, can be stored on that usb drive ...and i wouldn't be surprised if that it also had some Wi-Fi crap built-in. .

    Don't know who does that kind of job, but i think such kit+ installation must cost at least 300 to 500 bucks.
    Sure, a huge investment, but when we truly love a piece of old gear, and we know we will still be playing with it 10 years later. .. it might be a good investment.
     
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