There's a lot of talk about everything except supporting the product because it's a tool you depend upon. There are basically two forms of computer audio: production tools and the computer game. The computer game player has 67 compressors, and so on. The production user has maybe five, carefully chosen, paid for and used repeatedly because you can't use the tool if you don't understand it properly.

There's lots of words being written about how lovely these two synths are. The questions are: how many other synths do you properly own and how long have you been using them? I have hardware synths I've used for decades and know inside out. Gear aquisition syndrome works by giving you a tangential margin of newness that stimulates you until reach the limits of your skill, and then you go off in search of a new thrill.

It's got lateral doop blasters, and reversible zone flippers, it's new, new, new and it's what you haven't got. So get it now. The thing with audiowarez is that whatever you get so does a million other musos all around the planet all trying to turn the game into a future. It ain't the gear it's the music.

Perhaps u-he has reached the limits of hostile copy protection and needs new money. Perhaps there's too much really good stuff out there.

If you want it, and can afford it, buy it. Just don't do the drama queen over it. Know why and just fucking do it.

 

honestly, the "support" part and the "moral" aspects about it im pretty sick and tired to hear around here.

the relevant part though in my opinion, you will often enjoy care and make much more with an instrument you bought.

its all about commitment

 

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That said Uhe synths are one of these for me because of they way they melt into a mix, as opposed to synths that cut your mix in half, or demand vast real estate.

 

Why not a thousand times while you're at it? I'm becoming sick and tired with these kind of immature overstatements. Diva is unrivaled to my old analog ears and cover more ground. And i own, use and love "The Legend" too so i'm not biased.

 

I respectfully disagree
U-he sales are scarce to say the least, so prices are likely to go up again for a large period of time.

 

that's what i was saying. Pretty much everyone who wanted a zebra or diva already bought it, and sales have peaked 2 or 3 years ago, and now are seriously dropping.

3-4 years ago, the vsti market looked absolutely different from today. Diva is fantastic, zebra is incredible. But.. they are not alone.
There are a ton of other great instruments. Money is scarce. Probably 98% of the people that visit audiosex and az are making music as a hobby, without making 1 ct from it. And the % left, who is making some good money ? A minority. To most of the 98%, 220 euros for a zebra or 180 for a diva represent a lottt of money. Sure, a guy living in a country as germany, france, us, etc, it's just a matter of saving 2 or 3 months. For the rest of the world, 200 euros is a little fortune.
Then competition is ultra tough. If one tell me, yku can have only 1 synth, choose between a diva/zebra.... or a omnisphere 2.5, and its 14'000 patches + insane hardware integration: wow, the decision would be super hard... and despite zebra/diva sounding amazing, I'd probably end up choosing omnisphere...
many people can only buy 1 or 2 plug-ins in one year. They can't simply buy every single plug-in from every single developer. Then, there are the modular stuff, and the very affordable hardware synths, like the arturia stuff.

just so many options for people to spend their limited and scarce money. Competition is hard, one again. Many menu great synths out there, that sound great. For example, Diversion, sounds insane, to me.
If we search all the vst instruments that cost above 140-150 bucks, there are a ton.

Like you say, the era when diva and zebra were selling 20-50 copies a day is probably over. .. and it became impossible to uhe to keep the same prices. As an attempt to not 'betray' the customers that paid full price, by making 50% off, they let native instruments do the dirty job. 'That's just a unique partnership we're making'...
NI will probably grab 10-15% from the overall sales.
Last year we could have a 25% réduction until august 31. First attempt to cut prices and sell more. Now, they offer up to 50-60%.
Have uhe and others realize 200 euros are a small fortune to most people ? Let's see how many people will get diva at 50% off.

Hopefully they will offer zebra at 110 euros, instead of 220, before the v3 is out. That v3 should be a little revolution, i believe.

At the end, don't 'price reductions' mean more sales ? Where is the problem with selling cheaper, but doing many more sales ..

 

I tried so hard to like Repro1/5 but if Im honest with myself, I don't like their sound. I know that's not popular opinion, but to me they don't sound as analog and organic as Diva, but rather cold, aggressive and digital sounding. Repro5 gets some beautiful tones with pads, but basses, plucks and percs just don't sound warm. I do love the sequencer on Repro1, but again, it's just to sequence a sound I'm not crazy about. I went from 80/20% getting them to 20/80 now not. My motto is be honest with what my ears tell me contrary to the masses opinions, and on this one, I'm alone.

 

Talking sound for me Uhe is one of the best Developer.
So he deserves we buy its softwares.
Diva is an incredible vst,when you understand it(which is not the easier synth out there) you can make almost any sound,it excels in FX sounds too,its modulations are single.

If you are not rich at the moment buy Diva and buy Zebra later.For me Zebra is a lot better than Repro.Repro has a sound we all know already.

 

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Diva is a beast compared to Synapse legend,even if it sounds sweet too.
You won't learn Diva in 2 days.

 

Diva is a beast compared to Synapse legend,even if it sounds sweet too.
You won't learn Diva in 2 days.

 

Omnisphere->Diva>Zebra->Repro

 

IMO if a dev hope to sell its products he must release more often than UHE does.
People want/buy fresh releases.

 

I'mma let you finish, but if I didn't know any better and read this I might assume Omni sounds like zebra based on your thoughts... and why the overgeneralizations?

 

I don't disagree, but I'm seeing people claim to be using u-he cracks that don't bomb out any more. I don't use u-he, I wouldn't know. But if that claim is true, Urs is having a hole blown into his cash flow that hasn't been blown there for many years. That means he must reduce his development level to meet his ability to pay for it.

If you, as many of its users do, genuinely believe that Diva is something a bit special, if you don't fucking buy it, you're certain to lose it, and anything else Urs Heckman might come along and do.

It's like if you make an album and charge a dollar for it. People who steal it instead of paying, they hurt you. They piss you off and they put you off bothering. If it's good and you use it, buy it or lose it.

 

Diva, Zebra2, Dark Zebra and RePro user here. Definitely worth it mate, go for it.

 

I using legend and for me it was a beast
and I never say that diva is worst plugin , but rather the legend cost 99$ and it sound unbelievable
and it can do many complex stuff same as diva , It just my opinion that Legend sound 5 times batter then Diva ,

here I even find a video watch it !

 

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Scrolled these 2 pages and maybe missed what I think is an important factor that can help you decide:

What type (genre) of music do you produce? I mean, if it is a pop/dance/edm.. or whatever you wanna call it, that's one thing. If you are more on the movie/soundtrack/orch side, your priority should be getting "as good as your wallet permits" legit sample-based libs.. (I will not go into details why I think this way here, but you can guess...). If you are doing something hybrid, Diva can do (and it is used a lot) to add to that sound. And I only partially agree that everything you buy, you greatly appreciate and certainly use. It depends on your character and it's more true for engineers than artists/composers.. many things I bought are collecting dust.

Let's get real - sadly, tools in music industry in general are super expensive (1k $/€ is usually the unit) so this should be a no-brainer. Still, never buy anything just because it's on sale. And as you see, many will tell you it's not the best moog emu. And why should it be - maybe it's better. It certainly covers vast sonic ground. Make a "priorities" list. Of course the #1 should be investing in promotion/advertising/business..! ;)

 

Yes the Legend sounds nice but Diva have a lot more sound possibilities.
If I buy Diva it's not because it's a Moog emulation,it's because of its wide range and nice sounds.Unison,polyphonic,modulations,multiple oscillators/filters/Envelopes.

 

So you can't make Diva cut into a mix, or make other synths melt?

Don't think the issue's the synth.

 

To be fair to that point of view, i paid either full price or intro price for most of the plugins in that bundle and i feel prettyfucked by this whole thing. So he's got a point.

Its also why i stopped buying izotope for the most part. They try to sell you an upgrade every year, then six months later that same upgrade is 50% off half the time.

As for uhe..They make some of my favorite plugins. Id buy the bundle if i didnt already have the plugins. Imho, just everything they make sounds noticeably better than your standard vst synths and effects. Most of their stuff works differently too, so you do have to rtfm. Because a lot of is modeled after the circuitry in real gear, not the sound of it. So it has quirks like hardware