"I've said it several times over the years the best DAW is the one that works best for you. "

That has generally been my reply to the HUNDREDS of these "my DAW's better than your DAW" threads.
Of course the REAL question should be which DAW SOUNDS best? LOL!! And THAT, of course, would be
MY DAW.

 

It's much more wise to listen to critics than fanatics. It's not ignoring e latter, so much as recognizing that their feelings of entitlement make dealing with them unproductive.

 

lol this old thing. I love Cubase. It suffers a bit from being so big and unwieldy that little issues occasionally become big issues, but it really allows you to do things your own way. Lots of nice little quality of life stuff to make big projects manageable (all the mixer flexibility. recalling mixer visibility states and parameter states, mix snapshots, etc.) and make stuff like vocal comping way less cumbersome. I would hate to have to go back to working without Cubase's vocal comping & trackversions workflow.

That said, Studio One is freaking awesome. I only switched because it started crashing a lot right around the time I was ready to purchase a DAW so I went for the most studio one-like thing I could and it ended up being even better for my needs.

 

dont buy from germans , we are evil...

 

If you're going Cubase bashing, you need a good theme tune.

 

STOP, STOP NOW! This thread is getting silly. Whose DAW is bigger is serious business after all. I mean everyone knows Macs are used by idiots but that is not the point of this thread.

 

What makes the Pro version climb above REAPER in your eyes and ears?
Surely it can't be a winner in all aspects.

Me, I just grabbed reaper as my 2nd DAW, and never felt the need to try anything else really.

 

I'm a cubase user but i like Ableton and studio one. I hate sometimes cubase because of beta testing and you can't combine 2 instruments in cubase. Best Daw is the one you make great music.
The Daws have error and they are not perfect but they do the job.

 

What I don't like about Cubase is its usability. It feels like using a cell phone from before Apple invented the iPhone (and Android came along).

Whatever you would intuitively expect how things should work, Cubase does it a different way and more often than not it includes a hell of a lot of mouse clicks for even the most basic tasks.

Not being able to edit automation data in the piano roll editor is like what? 1990's?
On top of that, not being able to edit automation as an overlay in the editor but below it wastes a huge amount of screen real estate.
That's kind of the most basic task ever, and it feels just painful to work with it in Cubase.

Cubase could learn A LOT from Studio One and Ableton. But it won't.
Cubase is what it is and won't ever become more user friendly or creative.

Apart from that, Cubase offers pretty much everything you could ever wish for. But they do a very good job to hide everything you need on a daily basis behind a huge amount of mouse clicks and somewhere where you wouldn't expect it to be.

I'm not a professional musician, I use Cubase as a tool when I need some sound and music for other projects. So I don't use it every day. Every time I need it, it takes a painful amount of time to get used to it again.

 

Steinberg's Headquarter is still in Hamburg Germany.

 

Germans make the best cars & Software ; end of story :
ever driven a BMW ? -- i own one ; u don`t know till u do.
its all just shit talk.
Cubase forever for me ; i have been using it since they cracked 2.0 , ha
Have since bought it & am using 9 fixing to go to 10.
other DAWS , specially Pro Tools look like a kid designed them ;
if its good enuff for Hanz Zimmer , its good enuff for me ;)

 

Exactly. And @techdevil is obviously from Scotland (which is part of UK and thus affected by Brexit). If he would work for Steinberg, it could be a problem now.

 

Yeh, the morning commute is a real bitch

Seriously though guys, the post was never meant to be about DAWs, (that’s just something I happen to know about, and drove me to pen and paper) more me having some kind of existential crisis about the demise of reasoned evidence-based discussion, and reduction of complex matters/discussions to either "Your Mom" answers or the plot line for a Mr Robot episode.... Still I now have enough angst and ideas to now face that next album. Bring it on....

 

everyone knows hamburg steinbergs are better than new york steinbergs ...heh heh

 

Maybe they will, maybe not. They did "borrow" some ideas from Studio One in recent versions. Lower Zone, for instance. There are features and workflow aspects from Cubase that I dearly miss when I'm using Live too though, so it's not exactly a one way street.

It some ways it's the most sophisticated DAW I've used and in some ways it's stuck in ten years ago. We just got the ability to add more than 8 inserts on a track, and if you can believe it, some people on steinberg forums actually kicked and screamed about not adding it when people would ask for it. I think some portion of the user base is just suuuper old school, so Steinberg is keeping things comfortable for them.

The plugin slots was the one limitation that really twisted my tits though. Everything else I can live with. I used Live almost exclusively for midi/VSTi/sound design stuff and Cubase is stellar for recording, mixing and vocal work

 

I think there is a growing realisation that the underlining frame work needs some attention, the graphics need to go vector based and be far more flexible to allow things like collapsible midi lanes (like Ableton's). There are many, many other wee things they need to work on, but I think your right Cav and they don’t want to break the current paradigm. Your comment

is spot on.
But it is after all one we are familiar with and love, however they are supposed to be in their own word’s “innovators”. For the last 8 years or so they have been incrementally tweaking and building features in, but perhaps it’s time to stop that and go back to the basics of work flow, scalability and framework.

I like a lot of people expected a possible seismic shift in v10 and all we got was the usual tweaks, couple of new features and a colour scheme no one asked for, was more like a .5 realease than a v10 IMHO. I do love it, it can be frustrating and I think the v10 was an oppertunity missed, but I also don’t think that’s any different to any other bit of software.

 

Cubase is still my everyday Daw I use. Since 2005.

 

After so many things have been said, all I can *sing* is this:

[chorus x8]
All I ever wanted
All I ever needed
Is here
In my arms [Reaper ]
Words are very unnecessary
They can only do harm...


What I'm glad to see is a nice and civil thread, again. I mean, go to KVR if you want to see the real fanboy asylum at work.

Cheers!

 

This ( @Olaf 's post) was in asnwer to a post of @techdevil . Look where he's coming from!
KLICK.
YES,
you missed the point!
He (techdevil) is a Scotsman and won't be in EU after Brexit, so Hamburg, Germany will be behind a tax barrier for him afterwards.

Time to remodulate yout post.

 

friend you will post much threads like this when ppl hate you music

worry not of daw

do not say you music bad- say great music still have much words of dislike