Not bad at all, I always liked vintage sounds

 

Normally im like most and dont bother with these post from Foster and alike, other than having some laughs. Its entertaining for sure.

But when it comes down to it, the music, well then its not that fun. No matter what theory or skills we are talking about most of us at least have an ear to listen with and can hear what is good or not. Sure the taste could be somehow different but its still in the frames for what fits together and what doesn't. A given chord progression and melody needs to fit together no matter what sound or how its mixed together. It still needs to be in symbios with each other or it will sound crap.

They made some great music in the 60's, even under the influence of drugs so that cant be a excuse for not being able to even put together a 8 bars of music that sounds right. So to me it is very simple, if you lack an ear for music then maybe you should just let it be and do something else..

 

Sorry I forgot the guitar beside MIDI.

 

And anti music theory is not the subject of many other threads but that doesn't stop you!
Besides, you said..

So if you used some theory in that track, and the thread is about the track, then music theory is part of the thread, and I got ya there, you can't argue with that.

Yes you did use a little, and I can see you are trying.
You started of with chords, sounds like F, Am and G, and you did try to base most of the song around that, and there were a couple of short sections that were ok, but a lot of the melody is just random notes and timing, as is some of what is happening under the attempted melody, and your theory like marriage counseling techniques caused divorces.

Try not to be too original for now, learn some basic chord structures and the notes that make up those chords, after you gain some knowledge then you will be in a better position to do something original and make it good.

For example, this simple chord structure has been used in countless songs, but that doesn't matter for now.
C, G, Am, F
Do you know the notes that make those chords, if not, learn them, it won't take long.

C - ceg
G - gbd
Am - ace
F - fac

Now, use a pad sound and play the notes ceg for 4 beats, then gbd for 4 beats, ace 4 beats and fac for 4 beats.
Now put a simple bass track following the chords, C for 4 beats, G for 4 beats then A then F, loop it.
Now you can try some melodies using the white keys only, and knowing the notes in the chords can assist with your melodies.

Eventually you will discover little things for yourself, like, hey, b is a note in the G chord, I wonder if I can use that instead of a g note for the bass, yes you can in this context...
C chord - c bass
G chord - b bass
then to a etc

So there's a simple little exercise that I believe will help, try it.

 

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Thanks so much for these lovely comments but I know all of what you said and the others that you know and don't know.

Everyone understands music differently. For example rockers admire sth that the jazz guys don't even look at it. Classical devotees debase jazz and in contrast jazz fiends dishonor classical due to their not using weird chords and also not frantically improvising and so on.

The recommendations you suggested are not always working for all genres in all conditions and in some cases turn them into simple poppy or rocky ones and ravage their freshness.

 

Here is where you are wrong.. and where the theory is comin in.. without it there is only noice.. and with it comes new genres that mixes theese things together. Taking influences from diffrent genres and creating something diffrent. Good or bad well thats a diffrent story.

And yes, no matter if you like it or not, the guitar is crucial for music in general just as piano and thats even if its in your track or not. It can actually tell you if what you create is holding up or not. If it sound good on piano or guitar, well then atleast you have created some music and not just noice..

 

That's where automations come in.

 

So learn guitar or drums if you're "too deep for midi",stop crying and playing with midi.
Seriously,you're laughable,you are too strong and too skillful for playing with midi,somebody like you pushes the limits of midi !
Playing with midi is easier than playing guitar or piano,if you don't believe me try it.

 

Midi intrinsically doesn't impose any limitation on the user but it's the user himself that sucks in utilizing it. The person who relies on MIDI, tries to do all the works by himself and naturally can not concentrate on all the details.

For example a chromatic piece that I posted for you in the other thread has not considered all the niceties. It's been done by a single individual. From the arrangement point of view is precise but musically is so weak. Only musicians can make it perfect not midicians. Midicians have serious inadequacies in grasping the value of notes and their playing. Why? Because they have other jobs too alongside the thinking about notes.

This deficiency is not usually remedied with the passing of time during the lifetime of midicians because they can not iron out all problems of production single-handedly on their owns.

 

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I don't consider myself as a "real" musician since i can't play very well any instrument, but I've managed to do the trick in the box, it just takes more time. Basically when i have to give "life" and musicality to something and i can't play it correctly on the piano I decompose the piece in smaller pieces i can play and then record myself actually playing them. For example if i have to play Jurassic Park theme (?) i play the melody before and then on a second take i play the chords over the melody, so it sounds natural because i've actually played it.
Does it sound like i played it live? yes. Does it sound good like a real musician would play it? no, but it's as close as possible to the interpretation i wanted to give.

Simple as that

 

that must be among the top 5 biggest piles of twaddling nonsense ive read on this forum ever. I guess you would see that as merit of some sort

you like to talk about things in such a ridiculous pompous manner, categorically, like if you actually knew something but its just naive projections of empty rubbish randomly put together

and the living proof of it is that when you could covert all that crap in your meaningless statements into actual music, out comes deuce

naturally.

and ffs, make an attempt some day of using the words "in my humble opinion", it won't kill you

.

 

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At least I try to be novel not like you. Just look at your comments. Your only innovation is temporary abstinence from nastying me.

 

its just nobody else on this forum spams nonsense and self-assertive gibberish in every other thread like you do, thats all. thats the reason ive made these recent comments, somehow one imagines you could get a fucking grip someday

and sure, i could put you on ignore but to cripple the experience of an otherways perfect functioning forum because of one ... well, that simply doesn't feel right

 

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Never Blindfold a 3 year old!

 

It sounds like you are referring to yourself here, so are you saying you are a Midician, does that include the auto melody generators you have used in some of your tracks?

I don't think you do, and I also think you are going to actually attempt to do what I suggested.

What I suggested to you isn't all I know lol, and also the others, whatever you think they may be.
Can you please tell me the stuff I don't know that you know I don't know, but you know?

What are you on about, this has nothing to do with the practice I suggested, and is irrelevant.

I didn't give any recommendations that have anything to do with genre's, I suggested some very simple exercises that should help you start to learn about basic theory, but if you want to bring genre's into it, those simple chords and variations of them can be used in most genre's, you can apply what you learn from that to just about any genre, but there is a lot more to it than that, and it's not about songs or genres, it's about learning, and that applies to nearly every genre, except your Slap genre that you have created.

 

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Actually it would help you in a big way if you could learn guitar, of course you don't realize that though, but even if you wanted to I think you would find it too difficult, stick with the keyboard, it's easier on the fingers.

Anyway, I wish you well in whatever it is you are trying to achieve, good luck.

I'll dedicate this track to you Mr ICWC.

 

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Mono-harmonic basslines seldom do anyone any favours. And unless you're setting out to write EDM etc, drums only make sense when they actually add something positive - not slapped on just for the sake of it...

Anyways, on a whim i reverse-engineered your idea to see what was (or wasn't) going on in your tune... and guess what i found?:

http://pimusic.org/media/fosters-lager.mp3

The only core element i substantively changed was the bass.

So, turns-out Foster IS the new Mozart - damn.

 

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These remarks don't give me any jolt because I asked myself, What astonishes me most is that just less people got the idea of this thread. This thread is about MIDI and its unwanted infliction on its user.

I know how to make sth that you listen and are awed by it but it doesn't change the essence of the works being made via MIDI.

 

lol

foster pls dont be ridiculous,
attempt to learn to make a simple nursery rhyme melody first
that should keep you busy for the next 10 years
and still, you could upload a john williams piece, it wouldn't change the fact of your pointless ramble.

i really wonder how come you haven't got the slightest sense of restrain and even less traces of any humility whatsoever. dont you have a friend or family who can tell you some caring facts about how truly lost in space you are?

(and if you insist, dont upload others music and auto-midi generated stuff and try to pass it as yours, its so tragic)

 

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@ICWC - have you thought about taking up singing or playing in a band?
@EddieXx - No, i'm not him. And it sure as hell wasn't auto-generated...