that's unfortunate they didn't think of it, but no big deal since the old & new versions can be used independently one from another..

I'm already blessed with maybe more soundsets than I need on various synths, but curious to see if I will be able to make this run on my setup / OS ...

thanks for the precision

 

Should we talk about the 16 macros? I barely used 8 in Massive

 

"MASSIVE X will be available in June 2019. If you already own KOMPLETE 12, you’ll get MASSIVE X as a free download" I was wondering if anyone can find out if owners of KOMPLETE 12 SELECT which originally comes with Massive, will be considered for a free download as well?

 

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I'm disappointed.Todays big plugin/DAW companies make big teasers 1 year before the release,promise you a future revolution in audio world,and since 16 years(date of Massive release,2002) nothing really new or inovating.
For me it sounds like there is no passion anymore,only profit makers in audio world.NI use the name "Massive(X)" for making customers waiting for a new monster,like was Massive in 2002, but from these snapshots I really don't see anything amazing or new.

I'm waiting to hear that nevertheless...

 

I got clue. I discussed this with a famous German dev you know very well. NI plugs are all made from the same audio engine. Reaktor is not the engine, Reaktor is built on top of the engine like every other plugin they make. But you can tell when there is a major new version of it when a new version of Reaktor is released. They aren't the only dev that does this.

 

Release date: June 2019

 

the same changement with FM8........but massive x look clear

 

thx a lot
OBKenobi

 

Very true. The point is that in my opinion the best coders around the world like Steve Duda for example now work alone and they have all the reasons to do that, while before they could have worked for big companies like NI and make quality plugins. Honestly I don't even understand why they called this "Massive X", it has almost nothing to do with orignal Massive... Only a thing to sell more

 

That's business I guess. Between Massive, Kontakt and Reaktor, they are their biggest names, so dropping the name would be crazy. They do state "MASSIVE X is an addition to the MASSIVE family, and will exist side by side with the original instrument." Time will tell though, I think with the saturated vst market Massive X is 5 years too late.

Looks like it's only Komplete full? But Maschine owners got Massive... so here's hoping!

 

Agree

 

They said that Massive X will be available in february to make you buying Komplete for Christmas,and now you've bought Komplete they say "Massive X will be available in June".Cool.100% marketing

 

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Thats why i use cracked Audio Software Trust no one ;)

 

That’s how I started out too, now 7 years later I’m 75% legit. Where’s your pride boy. It’s try before buy, not try for life lol

 

They really can't offer anything new that isn't super complex for the regular user (like more advanced FM/PM or some other variation of this type of synthesis or a really good additive synth ) or too niche (some kind of academical noise making technique)...
Then there is the problem with the CPU usage and realtime playability.
Some of the more original sounding synths these days are additive with dumbed down interface and with hidden parameters like Thorn, Razor, Harmor.
There are already companies that went out of business, because their product was too niche like Humanoid sounds (had 2 wavescanning synths; NI SkannerXT has is built on a modification of this technique and it's not the most musical sounding synth out there).
For the synthesists the real answer was always Reaktor, Max/PD, Csound and similar (hardcore nerds probably even use computer algebra software packages for stuff that can't be achieved in dsp music languages)...
Commercial vst synths were always about the GUI and the presets, not about the synth engine itself.

 

I don't know what is the average user...
I think the average user or any user would love some synth with a new sound,like customers loved the DX7 or the CZ in the 80',or the PPG Wave.
The problem is that R&D is too expensive todays,big companies prefer recycling.
I'm not a programmer and I don't know anything in this area and its complexity but as an electronic musician since 20 years I find the audio synthesis boring,few synth make me smile.In the vst world you remove Uhe,XFer and NI,there are few synths interesting.
There's the analog fashion and devs work on reproducing what we hear 50 years ago,it's a non sense for me,even if these plugins sound good.

What is algebra software package??

What can't you make in dsp?In theory all is possible,I've read that many times.

Anyways I hope humanity hasn't discovered all audo synthesis genres,it's sad if it's the case.

 

Thank god isn't a reaktor shit

 

Hi,

I hope there changing the system specs right now only avx supported CPUs can use that plug in or is there a way to bypass that with older cpus?

 

All their new standalone stuff was prototyped in Reaktor and later recoded.

Xfer, u-he or Ni haven't done any original research. Everything you hear today was possible in the 70s (in theory).

"I find the audio synthesis boring" - that's a problem. I hope you understand that old Yamaha PM synths (not the first generation, but later editions) were way more capable than what we have today as vsts, but basically noone knew how to program them. "Simple" synths like Sytrus, FM8 etc are barely scratching the surface of what's possible in terms of preset sound design as demonstrated by their sound banks.
Slapping more parameters won't make them more user friendly or make them produce "new" sounds. Someone has to sit and program these sounds. In terms of simple electronic sounds, I doubt that we will hear anything new in the future. It's all about mastering additive, physical modelling and FM to produce quality acoustic-like timbres.
About your last question - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_algebra_system You may not use an existing dsp language, because it may not even contain the technique that you prototyped or need (it is known that Kyma for example has original audio techniques that are not in open sourced programs; the Kyma guys have developed and implemented them in their program)...

Actually, someone can grab the same old well known analogue or digital presets, map midi CC to Roli keyboards (or similar) and have a synth creating "new and original" sounds, just because you actually can perform now expressive musical gestures without overdubbing automation... Performance features are always underrated.

 

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