So sad, so true...

 

I've been using both for a while and some things Logic makes much easier and some things Ableton does. So I continue to use both. I find logic more straight forward than other DAW's in general and it is like my comfort food of DAW's. In general, I personally find that all DAW's tend to make simple tasks overly complicated for no reason and almost without exception each one overlooks some very simple and basic task to fix for no apparent reason.

 

I used Logic since ver 4 in the Emagic days exclusively until I gave Live a shot sometime in 2017. I switched to Live pretty much instantly. It's the workflow, but then not too long ago I switched to Bitwig and dropped Live. Again, the workflow suited my needs better.

What gets you where you want to be creatively, quickly, comfortably? Only you can decide this. It may be the case that all you need is the bells and can do without the whistle. (but happens if the bell gets tarnished, or the clapper falls off? Dear god my brain is going to melt, for another time) You may end up stuck between them like many are. You know, one of those fence sitter types with no allegiance to anyone or any team. Just sitting there smug on their fence forever. Some of them don't even have a fence.

it's too early for this.

"almost without exception each one overlooks some very simple and basic task to fix for no apparent reason." It's so annoying.

 

Okay, so lets say I wanted to use both, what would be the best way to go about it?
If anyone uses both, what features do you take from either client?
Suggestions as to which features are better would help me immensely!

 

I used both for a long time, but I'm solely on logic now, it just sounds better. I prefer sound quality over user workflow, but if I didn't, I'd chose ableton, super fast at getting things moving. Having said that, I have my logic workflow down to a science, so It doesn't hold me back much.

 

Welp, I managed to use Logic's EXS24 Sampler to export and import the samples into Ableton!
This works for me because Ableton is much more responsive with my drum machine!
However, Logic works better with my keyboard, so this confuses me further, haha.

 

Ableton is the best. Ableton Live 10 provides everything you to need to create, record, and produce professional music.

 

Absolutely right!

 

No offense but that crap could be recorded and produced in Microsoft Sound Editor. Why Logic or Live??? Overkill at best...

 

Well the crux of he matter is whether or not you release material to CD, MP3, Streaming, Stock Music or whatever. Working on tracks is easy, no matter what host, finishing and releasing is the proof of the pudding...

 

Sound quality matter, really?

I feel bad for Skrillex, Diplo, The Chainsmokers, Duke Dumont, Disclosure, DJ Snake, KSHMR, Henrik Schwarz, Noisia, DeadMau5, Porter Robinsons, Dillon Francis, etc. you might have to let them know about your discover so they can take their (already dozen-millionaire & more) career to the next level.. i feel bad for them for not using Logic and lacking all that hi-fi Logic sauce. SMH
(Don't mind my bantertho, lol)

 

Dude, that's on you. You have to use both to find out what is better for you.
Me/us saying XXX plugin or YYY EQ is better is just an opinion.

Using both requires you to explore both extensively. Time best spent on actually making music
There's no quick and easy answer to this sadly.

 

If Logic "sounds better" than Live I did not notice. I don't believe it. In fact, I'd like to see a scientific test proving it. Good luck.

 

Totally agree!
The (super successful) artists i mentioned above in my previous post are the testament of how trivial the "DAW quality chase" is. Successful artists are successful for focusing on the musical aspect of their music(if that makes sense), not the super-sonic/hi-fi aspect. They're making music for the human masses, not for dogs with 20Khz++ hearing range.

Even Major Lazer's Luca Petrolesi (sound engineer, so he's supposed to care for the sound quality a lot) switched from ......drumroll..... *Logic*! to StudioOne and he didn't regret it. Was he really not able to notice the "Logic sauce" missing on his high-end gear? Now leaving the jokes aside, the reason Luca switched to S1 was mainly the workflow.
Sound quality in a DAW is trivial. If someone picks a DAW for "the way it sounds" instead of "how quick you can get from the idea in your head to the musical end result that's gonna appeal and touch a human heart" then they're definitely not on the right path. Successful musicians live off their music because they sell *music*, not DAW sonic scent.

 

I really doubt Pig & Dan, Oliver Huntemann are on the wrong path...I can spend all day submitting proof of big name producers choosing a DAW for it's unique sound.....And personally, the artists you named, asides from perhaps Deadmaus, I wouldn't consider their music at the top of the "sound quality" chart....And just because you're a succesful musician, doesn't mean your music sonically sounds good, people in todays generation don't care about that, they want melodies and drops...

 

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It's their music that reach their fanbase (including yourself), not the DAW scent alone. Do you think that, as soon as one of those producers you mentioned release a new song officially and their fanbase hear it on a radio, they'll be like "Ahhhh, that LOGIC sound man... that's definitely Pig & Dan or Oliver Huntemann! 4 Sure!"?

I never said that people using Logic are on the wrong path, i was trying to make it clear that producers (way more recent, popular and successful than the producers you mentioned, with billion of views and streams, not just a few million) who have based their entire productions inside Ableton's Live and that they didn't suffer nor need to "migrate" to another DAW cause their actual one wasn't delivering enough *fidelity* (that's just absurd, especially when the song ends up mixed/mastered inside ProTools by a separate engineer).

You mentioned a few internet articles quotes of some techno artists with that song "Modular Baptism" with a 2D arrangement with just under 14.000 views on YT, artists who didn't exceed at least 20mil$ net worth in their career.
I mentioned facts with huge today's artists who's net worth reach around 100mil$ (some of them), with exceptional records that reached over 1 billion views on YT *each*, 2 billion views Chainsmokers's Closer which was the longest-running No. 1 hit in the United States in 2016, the duo is also Grammy Winning.
Why didn't they migrate to Logic "for its sound"? You take people's personal opinions (like those in that article you quoted) too literally.

A music producer's craft is a matter of... music composition. Leave that "sound quality" part for an actual sound engineer and focus on the actual music, not the tools you're using.

 

Don't let this thread become another joke please. There's been studies that prove this is garbage.

 

Thoose Big names probably blow their ears, melted their mind with drugs, or simply get payed (comercial) to say this. DAWs have no sound. Only daws that are intended to sound different (saturated) like Harrison mixbus have a "sound". Every other daw without a plugin is as clean as possible. All daws sound the same.

The old story which daw is better? huh. I take Logic. If you record your stuff go with logic. If you are a Computer keyboard musician you probably have more fun with Ableton. I personly would not touch any of the two for studio work. Stop toying around and buy cubase or reaper

 

I ask for science and I get subjective opinions and appeals to authority. Yay.

 

Agreed! Ive noticed that It doesn't take much to get a great sound in logic and I love the smoothness of the tracks I mix down in logic or cubase over live.