My brand new workstation is a 6000$ piece of Junk

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  1. yabiss

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    My old PC : 111
    My new one : 73 :sad:

    I'm on 9.5.1

    Maintenance patch will not install...Cubase support ticket opened one week ago...still no answer...
     
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    I agree. I had issues also with Cubase and I tried Reaper and it was much CPU friendlier. Can you try it? It would be great to see if you have the same out come as I did,
     
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    Gonna try it. Keep you posted
     
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    remove cubase then back to your work with studio one, solved.
     
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    Thanks
     
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    I'm still not completely convinced that your WS is configured properly, especially BIOS... and in a sense this Xeon CPU you got is slower Sandy Bridge, older generation than your previous Haswell CPU which are known to be really great performers. Going with more cores is not that helpful for audio and HT is rather useless since audio performance depends on Floating Point processors, but it helps with video. Cubase works best with up to 4 cores CPUs, really. Reaper will surely show a bit better performance with your CPU as it is known to be the best DAW for multi-core CPUs. Yeah, keep us posted! :wink:

    You should disable HT in BIOS. Everything you want to disable is best done within BIOS. Parking cores is actually bad for low latency audio performance and should be disabled for maximum performance, as well as Cx powersaving states . https://www.tenforums.com/drivers-h...le-core-parking-windows-10-build-10162-a.html
     
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    In Reaper, performance is light years ahead and FLS Checker gives me a 112 where in Cubase it only gives me a 73. Gonna take a dive in to see if it fits my needs. If yes. So long cubase.
     
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    My BIOS is just fine as i use this machine for video and 3D apps as well and it show no sign of malfunction... And Reaper shows a 300% increase in performance in my machine...not just a bit !!! :yes:
    HT off is a complete disaster for me. It kills my CPU mojo quite instantly i'm afraid...
    I'm going to test with all cores unparked and the cubase "audioengine.properties" file in place
    https://helpcenter.steinberg.de/hc/en-us/article_attachments/115000893024/audioengine.properties

    EDIT : wrong percentage
     
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    Ok it's my best option so far regarding Cubase.

    HT is on
    Buffer size is 256
    ASIO guard is High (crucial)
    All cores activated but audioengine.properties placed inside adequate folder

    24 tracks of Diva (more than 60 for Reaper)...Case closed...

    Conclusion : i'm going to check Reaper out ...seriously. it's ugly but it's totally adequate for Bi-Xeon like mine...
     
  10. Von_Steyr

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    @yabiss

    No matter what trick you pull in bios or windows, change audio card and its drivers etc....your old system was better for Cubase and audio.
    Too bad you didnt check the steinberg forums, lots of stories of cubase not doing well with many cores.
     
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    Are you sure?
    they both belong to HASWELL according to this :dunno:
    https://ark.intel.com/en/products/codename/42174/Haswell
     
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    Well now it's better but still not worth the money... I spent 2000$ on this workstation but i'm gonna use it mostly for my video needs and build another machine from scratch based on the fastest 4-6 cores machine i can afford tops.
    Anyway, i'm suprised and disappointed that Steinberg has done zip about improving that aspect of their software...
     
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    Try dissableing the network adapter (WiFi or other) - it should give you some more slots. Also, give me a sign if you need help wth Reaper (SWS, Actions, etc...)
     
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    Probably but still, Reaper is better than Cubase at this game. Obviously. :sad:
     
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    Not only at this game but PM me if you want more info so I dont turn this into a Reaper thread :rofl:
    In two words - I was a die-hard Cubase fan until I installed Reaper 5.20 - never looked back (personal expirience, might not fit everybodys needs or views) :)
     
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    This might cheer you up a bit.

    https://reaperblog.net/2015/07/eyssina-is-a-new-cubase-inspired-theme-for-reaper/


    It's a cubase skin for reaper 5

    EDIT: That Skin is no longer there, sorry, but there are tons of others!


    Disappointed I get, but SURPRISED? This IS Steinberg we are talking about !
     
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    is that a troll post?

    you got weaker CPU (yes, for audio, which is mainly a thread-targeted processing, the IPC (instructions per clock) and core clock is what matters (that haswell i5 was boosting 3.8GHz, while the Xeon caps at 3.3GHz, any nowadays consumer-grade i7 or even i5 would give you better audio processing capabilities!), moreover the fact you are using 2 physical cpus just introduces additional headroom latency as both cpus and both ram sets need to be synced at some extent,
    and with 6000$ you should have really bought some decent PCIexpress audio interface, such as RME HDSPe AIO,
    last but not least, such extreme rig deserves an up-to-date-coded daw, which Cubase is not, try Reaper or some other newer DAW which is not burdened by decades of legacy code mess
    on a side note, ASIO4ALL is virtually-emulated audio mode which eats your cpu and ram performance, so definitely not a way to go unless no other way is possible

    basically, see my signature, that's a very well optimized workstation (I use it for mixing/mastering, video rendering, batch image editing and such stuff, I have separate dedicated rig for recording, running RME Fireface UFX)
     
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  18. killa

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    I take it you're running the Steinberg power scheme? Sometimes I've had to turn it off, apply, then back on. Windows default is half power!

    Have you tweaked latency in your soundcard?
     
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    i agree, get a sound device with ASIO drivers
     
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    Thanks for the info. So glad to know your findings are just what I found also. I dumped Cubase also. Check out Kenny Gioa videos if you really are serious about moving to Reaper it really helped me a lot. IN Reaper you can do the same things it's just different. Also the midi event is not really pretty like cubase. but a small a scrifies to me to have the CPU over preform.
     
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