They only let him do that because the nearest fire station is about a mile away!

 

Since neither you or me can do nothing about the audio warez scene, what's the point of caring? Not to mention we barely know anything from it.
So yes, the typical leecher. Sometimes I buy stuff, but 90% of the warez I download is because is free. Audio stuff or not.

You missed the magic "tape" word in the "extra analog tape warmth" mantra!!!
Sacrilege!!

 

And i blame the lack of Rambo movies.

 

I dunno if that was the first album as in "a whole album using just drum machine for drumwork", but this track from JJ Cale's Naturally @1972 preceeds it by a year:D

Merry Xmas all

 

and I'll raise you a Skynyrd.. oh sweet home

 

Just a small clarification.
Oddly enough 99% of Flat Earthers are not members of THAT society.

 

R2R should not be immune from discussion. I guess people don't like to bash them in case they shut up shop, protecting their own interests. It's not like R2R are releasing for the scene anyway, we just get what they feel like sharing, and certain people get the good stuff. All we hear is R2R whining about people making money, like they didn't know that before putting stuff on the internet. I do appreciate any software that I don't already have but I'm not a fan of cracking teams being selective who they release to, whilst constantly moaning about a small minority of people. Either you're cracking for all the people or your not, and if it comes to keeping all the good stuff back for the clique, and everyone else just gets the odd update then preaching about ethics is hypocritical.

 

Well, I did say probably. The text I quoted is Wiki. But it also depends on what you mean by drum machine (production versus home build). That allows Gill Melee's OST for The Andromeda Strain, performed on a self-made instrument called a Percussitron, in 1971.

 

I dunno, i read what you guys write, sometimes i miss threads, but anyway ...
With all the respect.
Expecting R2R to be some kind of modern day Robin Hoods by examining their public givings should be part of the truth but not the entire truth and it may mislead anyone believing this. I speak for myself but given my 30 years of seeing cracking groups come and go, there should be one thing certain that all scene cracking groups share in common: They do not crack it for you. Period. Sure they might let you have it. But then again they may not. You, me or anyone cannot be the judge of their actions because we take no part in this -unseen for most people- reverse code "race". It should be fair enough and easy to grasp that, only the participants should be entitled to speak. The recipients of the "freed" goods which are the outcome of those "races" should be thankful that, people who put effort, risk and personal time to reverse code for no obvious prize are allowing it to be released in public.

Reality is simple my friend. Beggars can't be choosers in this example.
Choosers = sceners, Beggars = everyone else.
And you are not scene because simply if you were, you wouldn't say it man, and you surely wouldn't have posted this. Anyone can camp the 0dayz forever and keep petabytes of releases they dl (or didn't, it's the same), this doesn't make them scene. Leeching does not make you scene bro, or anyone else. It only makes them a kind of "groupie" or "collector".
And all this about "certain people getting the good stuff" only shows how far from the scene you are mate, which equals "beggar" in my book. Scene groups with public releases to their record, whether you like it or not, are not and shouldn't be prone to any "beggar's" criticism. Lemme break it down for ya. Imagine the group you accuse of being hypocritical to never go public with their cracks. You would never speak, criticize or ask for anything because most likely you wouldn't know they exist in the first place, right? Hypocrisy in this subject here, is to ask for more when you give nothing.
A proven historical fact is, sceners won't be patronized by the various outsiders demanding public fairness like they have a say so. Because they don't. Easy peasy bro.
So, be thankful for the givings on your table and if you stop wanting the whole world yesterday, you may sleep better.
Merry Xmas

 

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Well... I wake up everyday, go to the studio, have a session with a couple of clients maybe, maybe not, maybe make some music, meet with friends later, sip a coffee and maybe a blunt or two, eat, sht, read books and watch movies, talk and have fun with my wife, but in all my life i NEVER HEARD an R2R whining in my ears mate
What you describe is a symptom of severe downloaditis crossed with heavy readnfosis.
Ahh, jokes aside ppl never change. It's always the same, Fairlight this, Paradox that, Radium this, Oxygen that and blah to this day. Sure nobody should be immune to criticism. My question is how can you criticize someone you only know from reading nfos, which means you don't know them whatsoever. Do you know an R2R in person? Does it all make any sense ?
In long arguments and forum conversations some people may not get along or completely disagree in real life face to face, even after presenting cases with scientific evidence, life long experiences or expertise etc etc. Yet you seem to know that all an R2R does is whine about people making money. But of course you read this on a release nfo which actually makes that little note insignificant when compared to what it accompanies, or am i wrong ? And it also means they do a little bit more than whining, correct?
I am surprised others, including my friend Mozart, agree with your post. But lemme give you a hint. R2R themselves do not post stuff on the internet. Nor does any other scene group. Just as the postmen are not the authors of the letters they deliver. But since any "R2R" allowed their sht to reach our grasp, they have to put up with every vice each and every one of us may posess, right ?
I mean how does this fair in your world. Even if what you say had a miligram of truth in it (which imho it doesn't because if you had any real evidence R2R keep the goodies for the sceners you would present it but you did not), do you give the beggar in your church's corner your whole wallet ? Everytime you see him ? And how should be anyone criticized negatively for giving the beggar a 20 dlr bill. Frequently and constantly. And in our case this 20 dlr bill most of the times may have more zeros in the end. Get it ?
Merry Xmas again

 

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at first i thought well
"R2R should not be immune from discussion. "
but then taskforce appeared with a flawless brutality...he is so convincing, he might be an r2r member! xD

 

@p4V3l Hey I am happy and humbled i got you to think again bro. Truth is if i was R2R you would never see me post anything like that hehehe. I am just a die hard try b4 buy fan, but keep in mind not a groupie. Just a mere beggar. I do buy the softies i use, mainly because i have to be legit in my studio, i am no saint. At home i will try & use everything, legit or not. I am just one of those older peeps that started messing with computer tech in an era when some classy ladies would order "a computer for their living room but without a mouse because they had a cat at home". So you can guess i 've watched the lot of these groups do their circle, rise to fame and one day suddenly leave without a trace. True antistars? Perhaps...
Whatever the case may be, i am here and we can converse, argue, disagree or agree etc but only because you and i and all else express written opinions and some in length and detail. Accusing someone who has given so much to poor (and the not so poor-greedy ones) musicians all over the globe, who is not here and cannot defend themselves, and is someone we don't really know, to me is at least naive, so i felt i had to write about it.
Thanks for listening mate,
Be well

 

You are correct up to a point. For me, that point is, supposing for one second I'm part of a crack team, and nobody else can help, then maybe you can hire us. wait no, that's the A-Team. Sorry.
Suppose I release software for the masses, and the odd few complain that it was released on the wrong Thursday of the month, or it was raining outside on that day. (You know how people find fault with everything, ) well that would get my back up eventually, and I would think, why SHOULD I work my guts out for someone SO unappreciative?
So whilst I get what you are saying, try for one second and see things on the other side of the coin. There is NOTHING worse when you try your best for someone, than to have it thrown back in your face because it may not be EXACTLY what you wanted!

 

People who crack software don't generally do so for "the people." Mostly, these types of people do it as a personal challenge and to learn skills. If you get anything at all, be grateful.

If you aren't aware, the hard to crack, properly done stuff comes from R2R these days. Like it or not, they're the only real scene team left. What they give the public is their choice--and their choice only. Don't complain or try and suss out why you get this release but not that one. Just be glad for the mountain of warez you have access to and make some music.

On a personal note, people complaining about releases is the primary reason I don't release with the regularity I used to. I put in a LOT of time on these types of projects. When people complain, it makes me wonder why I bother sharing it publicly. My 2 cents.

 

Life is a series of thousands tiny miracles.
Notice them.
Same thing goes for all the hard working groups...notice them & be grateful.
Support the good developer if you like it & make money with it(plugin).
Be grateful for what you have,work hard for what you don't have.
Stop complaining,stop wishing.
Start working(making/mixing/mastering music)
The struggle ends when gratitude begins.

 

My point entirely. I think for some reason over the internet, people (Some, NOT all) have forgotten how to appreciate the difference between somebody's kindness, and a god given right to expect everything as and when they want it!

 

How the way the world SHOULD be, summed up in 1 paragraph.

 

Simple, by comparing their work before 3 years with what they are doing now. What's wrong with criticism? Why you are offended and losing your shit? Keep calm. You are calling us greedy beggars. Your actions show that you are greedy and scared too. I am not used to do ass-licking of anybody or teams for some pirated software. I just respect them for their hard work and help to public and developers. R2R were great 2-3 years ago and I still love them for that work. But they are not what they were back before which leads to their criticism. Criticism is human nature and is obvious in this case. People criticize music artists, political parties, DAWs and why not warez groups...

 

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To be honest, you're the one that appears to have taken offense and is "losing their shit". Taskforce came off completely calm in their post. It clearly made you angry as if you took it personally. You wouldn't have reacted that way unless it's true.



Release groups have a right to do whatever they want. When people like you complain about free stuff and it causes a group to release less or stop completely, it's your own fault. I guess it's just pure coincidence that a bunch of people started complaining about R2R a lot more than usual at the same time? That time just happens to be Christmas when they all expected huge releases that were never actually promised. A bunch of immature people did some online bashing because they didn't get what they wanted. Stuff that was never even promised to them to begin with. Then complained about what R2R did release because it wasn't what they expected.

A bunch of little babies that need to grow up