Temporary solution for mixer plugging.

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  1. MMJ2017

    MMJ2017 Audiosexual

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    please don't follow this advise you will damage your system you can check the manual for yourself to see that, its just some TROLL you can see he has posted 1 message their entire time here.
    and they acting a mess.

    http://www.allen-heath.com/media/AP8765_2+ZEDSixty_UserGuide_A5.pdf

    there the manual read about TRS cables then read about XLR cables i told you.(page 12)

    the specs clearly indicate the XLR connection is the ONLY one on the unit that puts out a acceptable signal for a audio interface.this is completely normal for this type of unit.( used em' for 25 years)
     
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  2. Boosire

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    Wow, didnt think i would have to deal with conflicting advices.

    After trying out i will take yours though, just plugged two mic cables to the xlr mic/line inputs on the front of the ur44 and it sounds... weird, like something is missing.
     
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  3. MMJ2017

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    have to check the settings too like for the fx section it may need to turn that knob down and disable it.

    ooh you HAVE to swicth that -30db swicth ! you did that right? thats the most important thing! it should be on the back next to XLR
     
  4. Boosire

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    wait no i'm confused, you are advising me not to go xlr main out from my mixer to trs line in audio interface ?

    Thing is i got my line input at the back as only jack, at the front i thought the xlr were just for mic, are they line input as well ?

    I just tried out with regular mic xlr from my main mix out to the 3/4 inputs on the ur44 http://static.weloveshopping.com/shop/muziccraft/extra/12956901.jpg and the sound isnt right


    Yeah i switched the -30 before


    edit: ahhh...
    [MIC/LINE 3/4] jack/[PEAK] indicator
    For connection to a microphone or digital instrument.
    This jack can be connected to both XLR-type and
    phone-type (balanced/unbalanced) plugs
    *1
    . The XLR-
    type is MIC only and the phone type is LINE only. The
    [PEAK] indicator lights in red when the signal is -3 dB
    or greater.


    Ok so rear jack line inputs then. i took these https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B006FTEPME/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_?ie=UTF8&psc=1
     
  5. dragonhill

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    On your interface inputs 1 and 2 will also accept a hi-z signal like a 1/4" from a bass, inputs 3 and 4 are also combi input jacks that will accept 1/4" line level.
     
  6. Boosire

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    Ok this thread is confusing,

    All i want is hookup my mixer to the audio interface,

    should i go

    - xlr out (zed60) to jack trs line in 5/6 (UR44)
    or
    - xlr out // // to xlr 3/4 (UR44) (really doubtful the sound was crap)
    or
    - Any other combination
     
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  7. MMJ2017

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    WHAT? the XLR the XLR is what you want! just make sure the -30db switch is set

    sure it is possible with TRS its just you have to make sure even more levels are correct and it dfonrt seem like you have that confidence yet. I posted the actual manual manys times so you can look at the specs for the mixer , you HAVE to get your confidence sir.
    If you don;'t belive me that the link is really the manual google the mixers make and model number then manual then click on the manual go to page 12 where it tells specs then it will show a diagram how to hook everything up that all i can do to help you sir . i can only repeat what i already said amny times. bets of luck fine sir.

    go back read the comments i wrote to you sir everything is solved.
     
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  8. MMJ2017

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    your just confusing yourself here.

    the interface is telling you not to try and hook a mic up to a line lvel signal, that is not what you are trying to do!
     
  9. MMJ2017

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    think .
    it is real basic.

    you have a equipment that is sending signal out, another is taking a signal in.
    you need the 2 equipment.
    next you need the cable
    next they have to see same type of signal both end.
    last you set you volume for each

    thats it bro all there is to it.

    dont make it out to be more than that you got it.
     
  10. Boosire

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    Its not basic for me. Its not basic when i get at least 4 conflicting opinions in the same thread. Its confusing when you direct me to p12 where i understand nothing of the specs, what am i even supposed to understand with these numbers ?

    I just want to get the best out of it.

    The only thing i wanted to make sure is not plugging my xlr out the wrong way.

    So basically i can go xlr out to low impedance xlrs of my ur44 right


    Sounds easy for you but when you start out you get hesitations for every minor detail, its normal that i get confused by a thread where virtually everyone tells contradicts each other
     
  11. Boosire

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    'Connecting a line-level source (such as mixer output) to a mic-level input will cause the sound to be loud and distorted because the line signal is much stronger than what the mic input will accept. Inputs and outputs on many mixers are switchable for either mic or line level operation.'

    Ok so virtually i can either go line in or mic in (with -30db on) in the ur44 but line in is more adapted for the normal levels going out of my mixer's xlr out, do i get this out, are we done ? :p
     
  12. Boosire

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    Also what disqualifies the Record Out from doing just that too ? Is it less efficient ?

    Record OUT
    Standard RCA phono sockets for the stereo line
    level Record outputs sourced from the USB out
    selector switches. Useful for connecting to stereo
    recording devices, stereo mix feeds, or where se-
    lective channels are required to feed other equip-
    ment
     
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    I'll see with the xlr female to trs cables tomorrow
     
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  15. No, you do not want rca to xlr because your outputs are LINE LEVEL AND NOT MIC LEVEL. Get a pair of rca to 1/4" cables, plug them into your ur44 into inputs 3 and 4 which are exactly for this purpose being dedicated line level inputs. Really.
     
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    Rca ? So going from Record Out is better?
     
  17. rickbarratt

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    You must have never used an actual mixing desk before.

    the record out you see on the desk is not really for audio production/engineering it's mainly used for connecting to video cameras so it has sound or something like a zoom recorder.

    this is a live desk, suited more for live performances than home mixing but it's doable but as you've probably gathered you can only record 2 out.

    even using the usb on these desk all you can send is the stereo mix out.

    Allen and Heath make good live desks, not the best not the cheapest sort of midrange, I have used a lot of the GL 2400 in the past but they're hardly used anymore in a digital age.

    why don't you trade it in for a different desk?

    The FX and EQ are pretty basic and you can find better in your DAW.

    you must be doing something wrong somewhere make sure your signal chain is


    Line or mic into desk (from instrument or mic)

    Set the gain and bring up the fader.

    bring up the fader of the main mix L & R

    you need 2 XLR cables to go from main mix L & R out to the input of your UR44 into channels 3 & 4

    don't set gain on the interface you do not need 2 pre amps distorting your signal.

    on your daw set up a new audio track inputs 3 & 4 and outputs as 1 & 2 from the back of the ur44

    plug in speakers into the back of the ur44
     
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  18. Boosire

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    Ex\ctly never used any until now, i got it offered and figured it could be useful to be honest, the more i think about it the less i want it.
     
  19. No, the main outputs. Go from the XLR main outputs which are line level to the 1/4 inch inputs 3 & 4 of the ur44. That is why you need the female XLR on one end and the 1/4 on the other. This board is not set up for studio patching as it's forte is for live performance. There are no individual channel outputs, no sub groups, etc.
     
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    Honestly this desk is not going to do much for you. the pre amps in your ur44 are probably better. sell It, buy a synth, some outboard gear anything.

    the only benefit it'll give you is you can record more multiple inputs at once. but only to a stereo channel.
     
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