@foster911 you may be pink, Fozzy, but you're not a pig... Prince was purple.. you shall be pink...
Pink Floyd is already taken.. but you can still call your first album (and premier masterpiece..)

Blizzard of Fozz

(well I guess you could call your band Pink Fozzy... ugh... )

 

Yeah the voice needs more mixing it doesn't blend in much, and yeah the sounds feel a bit generic, but considering the little time you spent on it i feel its fair enough

 

First.. I really dont get how some people think/or wish, OP for sure one of them stating robots are coming, dont blame the young generation etc.. The day when they (robots) come i guess you dont have to worrie about anything. Atleast not having to push a buttom or key to create something so problems solved. One of the problems with most music today is the lack of feelings and emotions. But i guess some havnt experienced what that is, a guitar player that that by bending a stringt creates a tone that hits you right in the heart. A piano/Clav player that creates melodies and harmonics makes your mind go higher that any drug can ever take you. Maybe, i say maybe its because all they hear and listen to is music created by so called "producers" ceating their music that is at the best LOUD.

But most people know that there is so much good music created out there. And im pretty sure it dont matter if you use an old 4 channel tape recorder, full blown DAW or even a full studio setup. If you can handle the gear then it will sound pretty decent. My son is today 24 and a wonderful musician. And you know what.. He can live of his music just as i have for more than 30 years. For what he wants to do he can handle most things you throw at him. Soul, HipHop, Trap, Metal, Blues, Country, EDM yeah, pretty much anything. He can even record it in any kind of DAW and to him its not that hard or to tough. Because he can play and dont need alot of fancy stuff to create anything. And that leads me to Foster.. again..

That is just crap my friend.. Unless you mean that learn how to set up your sound card with your DAW is a process that takes time and money.. It actually help out alot of people to learn music. My son is not the only one that has learn music in DAW since dad didnt have the time.

What can and is complex for some is all the things around DAWs, like midi controllers, fancy flashing outboard gear that even an old guy like me dont even wanna look at since it would make me loose my creativity just staring at it. For thoose who buy and use it i bet its very useful. But god damn it, the learn how to use it. Just like any musician learn to play an instrument.

And francly OP... What are you doing music for? Yourself, getting rich and famous or what? You may say you love music but i honestly doubt that. Why? Well i dont think you would feel anything good if you push a key and your robot arises, calculates some stuff and spits out a done production for you. Nah, cant be.. But hey, blame the old guys that once created what all the young guys try to recreate.. or nah.. blame the DAWs.. it their fault that millions of users all have need to be taken into consideration when creating a DAW. And if a DAW was created for muscians and their creativity.. then its already done... many many years ago..

 

Thing is, you make electronic music, it does rely a lot on the sound characteristic for 'evaluation', can't really compare to Yesterday, people judge electronic by what sounds different, than they pay attention to the arrangement.

 

Sorry guys i passed by and saw this thread i;m "high" right now i didn't read all the comments, but first i don't blame young people, thats it, i mean i blame them inside my self however i work with this feelings and i m learning WHY i blame young people time by time ,and why i blame all people every day ,lol,complicated but obviously this question to be answer needs a looooot healthy communication with the spirt inside us, so its all right
Second i had a 3 DAW 'S or DAW what everand a lots of plugins, i decided to see what i need the most, and i finished deleting much stuff from my hhd's,feelin weightless
In general everything is in their right place
peace

 

methinks thou has hit the proverbial nail on the head.. doing more with less.. but you may be able to do quite
decent audio recordings in your home studio if you have adequate space...rather than pay the dear prices of studio time..

I'll never be a pro.. but I get pretty satisfactory results from my gear just as you are suggesting..
I liken the lust for more and more plugins to chasing rainbows... that often have only a pot of fool's gold at the end...

full on with your thoughts to focus on a few quality tools/plugs and learning how to make the most of them...

then you have more time to develop your creativity , than constantly tinkering with the latest toys !!

 

That is what most people do when they panic. Embrace and control the chaos, they are just tools.
I use all my 200 compressors.

 

I posted a song. It could be performed live with an acoustic guitar. It should not be evaluated as a piece of electronic, sequenced and automated audio. It has lyrics and a typical song structure with verses and a chorus. If you listen to the sounds only, you may indeed have missed this fact.

 

good example for this also is that that same mr. McCartney used a DAW to compose a classical piece, but nobody will see this as an electronic piece of music because they hear an orchestra. umm i was going somewhere with this but after being awake for a few days my mind is like FU anyways op is not getting it and possibly never will as he refuses to learn anything

 

Imagine if you could beatbox a MIDI pattern directly into your laptop and it plays back pre-selected drum sounds in real-time!

Lazy huh?

 

Imagine if I could play air guitar into my laptop and sound like Jimmy Page!
Lazy huh?

 

Are you scared yet?

 

Elton John's piano can help him perform Tiny Dancer.

 

Gimmick.
You wanna play/produce music or do ballet, make up your mind because it seems to me you already hit the wall and are now panicking.
This is fear talking. Relax and stop wasting time on trivial shit.
Aint nobody gonna do it for you, music is as real as it gets, no body owes you anything bro, life is short i get your frustration.
Fact is you can wait and talk or you can be a man and be the boss of your reality, being a victim has never helped anyone, this is not how winning is done.

 

You have a fear of innovation. You're afraid your hours of tinkering will be rendered worthless. AND THEY WILL. And no, you don't get my frustration, you don't think there's a problem at all with the current state of music production. You're like a priest arguing that the Bible should only be read in Latin...and peasants who want it in English are just lazy and they should spend years cloistered in a seminary before they can read it.

I've heard people calling mastering an art that requires superpowers like supersonic hearing developed over years in a studio...HAHAHAHAHAHA! GTFOH!

That is old thinking!

 

Greetings all, long time listener first time caller. I usually just love to read and never respond but this guy, WOW! Scary thing is he's not alone in this backwards way of thinking. Black Afrika...Where do I start? You are wrong on soooooooo many levels. First of all young folks aren't being blamed because of the gear that they use especially in hip hop. They are being blamed for the lack of originality, the lack of thought, the lack of individualism, the lack of feeling, the lack of work ethics, the lack of learning, the lack of being able to take criticism. Yes, just like you said, hip hop spawned YOUNG innovative pioneers like Neptunes and Timbaland. Premier, Dilla, Rza, Kanye, Hi Tec, 9t Wonder, Snow Goons with Boom Bap. Coli Park with Snap, Lil Jon with Crunk, Jazze Pha, Beats by the Pound, Dungeon Family with Trap, Marley, Dre, Swizz, Beat Minerz, the list goes on. The problem is ALL OF THESE PIONEERS OF THESE STYLES ARE IN THEIR 40's SOME IN THEIR 50's now !!!! NONE OF THEM ARE YOUNG NOW!!! Today's young get blamed because YOU NEVER TRIED TO TRANSCEND OR BUILD UPON THE PIONEERS!!! Today's young don't have a Rza, or a Dre, or even a Puff Daddy. You have a bunch of 1 and doners who download Ableton and FL for free, barely learn how to use it, and imitate who ever is on the radio all day. IT'S NOT THE GEAR! IT'S THE EAR. All of these "Old" guys, can make bangers on FL and Ableton. Several of them have. YOUR problem is, YOU can't. That's ALL ON YOU playboy. Any real hip hop head knows this, If you are the beat maker, then be the beat maker. Use what ever tools you can, because hip hop is about the vibe not the tools, GET YOUR MONEY RIGHT, and take it to one of those geniuses like these vets that frequent this amazing forum, AND LET THEM DO THEIR JOB! Sit with them sure, but let them add their personal flavor, find yours. You can't One Knob, Track Assist, or Sausage Fatten heat. That takes a good ear and a human touch. Oh yeah, NOBODY FORCED ANY OF YOU TO USE FL OR ABLETON! They don't work for you? Don't use them. All the young 'ns you are defending actually do use these DAWs. Look we know what happened, you told some rappers you were going to tighten them up, you couldn't, they thought you sucked, they told you that you were wack, you didn't accept that and blamed it on your torrented gear, you went to the internet looking for validation, you didn't get it, you were told by hard workers that you also had to work hard, that didn't sit well with you so you blamed older folks. You said "The fault lies with the music software and with engineers and musicians who take themselves too seriously..." Are you kidding me? It's their fault that you and your ilk can't come up with new subject matter?, new rhyme schemes?, new styles? please. I'll end with this. When the current group of "old" guys were young, they all wanted to stand out, they all wanted to out work each other, they all wanted to learn, they all made the best out of what ever they had. The top 20 sounded like 20 different acts. And the gear didn't matter, the music did. The current group of "young" guys want to mimick who ever is number one. They think if they get the same gear, they will be like the current "it" person. They want the easiest route to the most money. "This guy made money so if I copy him/her I will make money too. The top 50 sounds like the same song being played 50 times. This is what you get blamed for. Your gear doesn't matter.

 

Dude, seriously The problem with you and people like you is YOUR MUSIC ISN'T INNOVATIVE. The tech is. It will be more innovated in the future. I'm with that. That One knob ish is cool tech, problem is you ALL have the same same One Knob presets. None of you stand out. Your 30 seconds of learning absolutely nothing will be rendered worthless. The current state of music production didn't get bad because the tech couldn't keep up. It got bad because it's available to everybody. Every single untalented, unwilling to learn, super mediocre, bum with the internet can go to the studio now. The unskilled can tutor the even less skilled. You really can't understand this? When the game was difficult and had a steep learning curve, only the exceptional, or the hardest workers would prevail. The easier it got to get in the game, the more mediocre it got. To use your analogy, The original bible was written in Latin, now it is being translated into English by people who can't read Latin. You think the fault lies with the people who CAN read Latin. Once again there current state of music production is bad because it being produced by people who aren't producers not because the gear should be so simple that anybody can produce. I mean really that's all you want. You don't really know what you are doing so you want your gear to be easier to work.

 

BRO, FIRSTLY...don't personalize this. My shit is certainly NOT wack! Lol! And I don't sell beats...I suspect you're talking about yourself here ;)

SECONDLY, all these people you mention came up on ASR-10's and MPC's and big-ass speakers. ANALOG! I was only complaining about stock instruments--thats all! Why doesn't anybody get that? It's like everybody is saying stock instruments SHOULD sound hollow and thin! How dare you demand better? Again, imagine buying an Xbox and it has Sega Genesis graphics...and you have to buy a bunch of other hardware to make it display HD graphics... (Actually Timbaland sounds CRAP now that he's using Ableton)

THIRDLY, "drill" was a rhythm innovation on "crunk" ... but the stock sounds make it painful to listen to ...

ANYWAY... I think we're all talking past each other. People can't hear past their preconceptions and prejudices...

I'M DONE!

 

The most innovative producers I've heard lately in the genres you quoted (and others) are people who indeed aren't scientist, who usually are self taught in the music/tech area, and who know very well their stuffs. They spent time on it, a lot, enought to use the great included plugins in Live and Fruity Loop, and get them where others weren't able to. If Sytrus or Harmor aren't good enought for you, you're probably in the wrong area, and you might wanna consider a new hobby. Same with live, anyone inspired can make a huge beat only using this daw, and if he is dedicated enought he should be able to teach himself how to do so very quickly, since this daw is so easy and intuitive.
Don't blame the tools, blame yourself.