yeah especially that Ikutaro Kakehashi (may he rest in peace) only gave us flat sounds and difficult to program gear

not to mention them telling us to 'get of their lawns' while we just wanted to lay there and get high

 

I'm not young, but DAWs and samples and such are exactly what I wish they'd had when I was a kid. How would you propose to eliminate an "unnecessary" learning curve? Or are you just spoiled by everthing's being made easy for you, and believe that just because you're young (a temporary condition, by the way), things should be easier for you than for your elders? Do you perceive people of your peerage as deserving an easier means of expressing ideas which you believe are the province of youth? Youth is a time of commingling innovation and discovery, but it's also the time of one's life when productive habits and skills are more easily, and crucially, developed - albeit through self-application and discipline, with which you can't be bothered, because you're young and impatient. If you don't see why you should have to wipe your own ass, just wait about six decades - if you make it that long - and someone dressed in white just might be doing just that for you.

Speaking of iPhones, this week, I composed a song in Garageband on my iPhone, transfered it to Logic on my Macbook, and fleshed it out there. It has three (software) guitar tracks, a drum-kit track, a bass track, a keyboard track, a choir track, two orchestral-strings tracks, four synth tracks, and a Mellotron (samples) track - all but one of which had originated in Garageband. To produce something like that 30 years ago would have required tens of thousands of dollars of studio time; I'd paid $250 for the iPhone 6s (Garageband was a free 1.7GB download). At this rate, there should be an IOS app to wipe my ass for me by the time I'm 85 or so.

 

YOU MAKE really good points but spoil everything with the constant references to anal wiping.

What accounts for the resistance to better designed software? Do you think what LANDR does is not "real" mastering? And that these lazy, anally-incontinent kids should spend a century in a "real" studio before they are allowed to master a song?
I think GarageBand is a step in the right direction. Again, I come back to my example: Embertone Sensual Sax--this app doesn't present to the user a bunch of unnecessary engineering options.

Wait...do you agree with me that

(1) The reason young people are making such horrid music is that they rely on stock sounds in Ableton Live and Fruity Loops?

(2) The best chance they have to improve quickly without spending a decade accumulating a bunch of techniques is to use third-party plugins?

(3) Incontinence is not the issue.

 

Dear spoilt juvenile upstart,
Yes, you need someone to wipe your musical anus, since you have not mastered how to use toilet paper.
Next point, I was not aware, as almost 99% of us are not aware, that we need better designed software. We are not resisting your imaginary better software. We manage very well, thank you. We play keyboards, guitars and program drums and bass and are familiar with how those instruments interact.
You think Garageband is a step in the right direction? Perhaps you should try Novation Launchpad for ios. It's idiot proof. Just touch a beat you like and add bass, lead, percussion. It's immediately rewarding.
Next, many, not all know that mastering is an art, not just a process of adding brightness, bass and loudness.
Next, you state "kids" need to spend a century.... 100 years in a real studio. Are you familiar with the definition of hyperbole because you have used it unintentionally. And since you state this as fact, I would like you to site an example of a kid spending 100 years in a studio before he was released back into the world.
Now you blame Live and FL for young people (you really are hung up on kids) making awful music. Have you heard of Cubase, Logic, Reason, Studio One? These DAW's offer enormous potential if you spend some time learning them. I used Logic to compose songs for a Grammy Award winning Rock And Roll Hall of Fame artist. But then I started at EMI studios on an SSL with. 24 track Studer (these names probably mean nothing to you)
Next, third party plugins will not allow you to leapfrog over decades of hard won experience. In fact, the opposite is true. A UAD Fairchild will not make you sound better if you don't understand compression.
Finally, I think incontinence is the issue because your arguments are piss poor. Buy some diapers. Your opinions are leaking and making a puddle.

 

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again, my two cents: the problem of this generation is that they've been taught and brought up that anything is possible and everything is reachable, which is the biggest bunk of bullshit around, it simply is not true! The other problem this generation is facing is that they've grown used to anything being instantly available on a 24hr call base, which is the next big lie! Talent comes from a gift for something that, if you spend enough time developing that gift into your talent, may or may not be noticed and appreciated by many. Most important of all: it is highly rewarding to sit down and learn to play an instrument which gives you the ability to lay down intention and emotion in each note you play rather than getting the instant, cold and emotionless prefab alternative to it from a box/plugin/whatever, no matter how available or reachable a manufacturer has made it (or not) Anyone who says that this difference is not noticeable, better learn how to live and make love (read 'have sex') with a computer/AI/robot coz that's shouldn't make any difference then either. Second of all, the talent to record those notes you play in such a way that the notes speak, mix the ensemble of notes together so they can actually make a difference is another ballgame. It's sheer craftsmanship. It has nothing to do with the software or DAW you use, it has everything to do with your ability to hear it. There's not plugin or app to replace that. Put in the effort and the energy to get out what you desire. You want instant result, but it's meaningless if you have not worked for it, it has no value to you.

 

For making a good music, they're more than enough. I never use any sample, third-party plugin, any loop, ... . I also believe that people investing on those unnecessary tools are wasting their time and money.

Learning millions of techniques is so easy. Just listen to any music you like and simulate it. By this way you can gather tones of techniques.

Making music is like living. You must experience it by yourself. Even taught skills must be experimented by yourself to be deeply ingrained into your brain. I'm here for more than 2 years and each and every person here has heard my experimentations and commented on mine numerously but still I think I'm producing shit.

 

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I think I have been producing shit for forty years. Luckily people tell me I'm wrong. Allow me to tell you that I don't think you produce shit. You put a lot of thought into what you do. You are not afraid of criticism and you try different things. That is what real musicians do. Well done Fozzy.

 

Automation, machine learning, etc. will render the "art" of mastering obsolete quicker than any part of the post-production process. Next...

Mixing will also be replaced by a Siri-like app you just just tell: "Make the kick fatter..."; "Reduce the mud...a little bit more....stop"; "Make the kick sit on top of the bass..." ... And it will take care of the sidechaining, HP filtering, compression, etc...away from the user interface (maybe in Advanced Mode you can see all that nerdy stuff) ... My original complaint was that the stock instruments in Ableton and Fruity Loops sound terrible. It's like buying an Xbox and finding out it has the 16-bit graphics of a Sega Genesis and you have to buy a whole new graphics card to make it display 256 colours and a new processor...etc.

Okay, don't judge too harshly. Here's my amateur work which I think took far too long to compose (a week) because there are far too many steps in the process (unrelated to music):



PEACE + LOVE.

 

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The problem with that is, a mixing engineer does more than eliminating technical problems, he will also add his very own taste and mixing can be a very subjective (sometimes esoteric) thing... You'd have to mimic that individual taste, too if you wanted a machine to do the whole process for you and there is still another big problem! Even professional engineers use different words to describe conditions like muddy or clear, etc. So you, the end user would probably rely on some taste presets, instead of developing your own taste and how boring would that be?

And there are still details like compression (also eqing to a certain degree) which you can only hear correctly when your ears are trained

 

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OP:
Let me respond this way:

How do you feel about the simplicity of Embertone Sensual Sax? Is it cheating?

I'm not sure what your point is but, using an easy instrument is not cheating. Maybe an analogy would be using a tamborine. A Tamborine is an easy instrument; I don't think there is much to master in banging a Tamborine on your hand. But a Spanish/Accoustic guitar is a very difficult instrument to master. Using say, a (what are they called?) pad drumming thing is quite easy to program, just pressing buttons to create a pattern is very diferent to trying to master a drum kit. The device with button pads is very easy, but it's not in any way, shape or form cheating. It's just an easy instrument to master. This is no different to placing a prepared meal into a microwave and having a Spaghetti cooked in 5 minutes instead of 45 mins. I think you just have to accept that tools are just tools, be they easy or difficult to master. A DAW is a studio in one multi-purpose tool. It would take you several years to master what a studio engineer uses in a real studio, compared to maybe months to master a DAW. That, to me, is progress.

 

I listened to most of your works on SC. So enjoyable specially your posted one and this one , this one , this one and this one. Oh wait! All of them.Don't worry, I'm so dull in stealing such styles.

But based on sampling and processing. FLS and Live have been specialized in this domain. Their effect plugins are not decent I agree with that but for the genres you're working on I think they're enough. Let's our guitar dudes spread their hatred towards those toys.

 

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And yet this aspiring writer you speak of would have had to learn how to read and write before being able to create his or her work.

So I repeat @black.afrika.zulu.x , please explain to me what the Fark is wrong with any kind of learning, young or old?



Apologies on the repeated question Statik........great minds....or..

 

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"And best of all. You don't have to know a thing about a music to sit in the producers chair."

 

:D

 

@black.afrika.zulu.x
Dude, last time i checked there is no daw optimised for people under 30 (young peeps). All major daws are complicated each in their own way. Also there is no bad or good daw, there is only what suits the users best to their workflow, assuming they have one to begin with ...
About the bad or soft sounding synths in a daw:
As a professional producer and studio owner myself, at age 51 i can testify there is no song that became a hit solely for its production merits, whereas i can name hundreds of songs with bad or no existing production that became major hits. Its all about the idea and personal style/talent man.
Also if your ideas cripple your cpu, you definitely doing something wrong or you need a new comp- period.
So, you may not like it, but music is as much an artform as much as it is science and math. Especially on the theoretical part and also on the sister part of acoustics/mixing/mastering etc. So if you are young and wanna dabble with computer based music production as a whole, it is mandatory to step up your game and read and learn how to use the "effin jargon". Spending your time complaining about daw complexity and accusing programmers of thinking too high of themselves is not healthy thinking my friend. All daw programmers are accomplished pros, and the existence of their various software products in the music market is proof they 're doing at least most of their given tasks well.
As a last resort, if you don't like it, get an MPC or equivalent and off you go mate. The MPC has bred generations and generations of hiphop artists. Still, even the MPC is not straightforward, especially for noobs. It's a small studio in a box. You still have to read and learn a lot to use it properly.
Cheers

 

Also the composition process and, eventually, consumption of teh resultant product process. [Automata] hunnyz will liek, upvote & subscrib to [AI] YT channels pumping out these sick bangarz.
Ceaselessly, tirelessly, I work for that happy day

 

@black.afrika.zulu.x dude you know what, do yourself and us a big favour and just go get a different hobby. with all the time spend writing this you could have easily learned the first part of what you need to know and do to make your mix sound better.

and no there will never a siri like app you can tell to make the kick fatter or to clear the muddiness, that is just not how it works. deal with it or go play on the freeway

 

Don't tease my species. Have you heard my last dream track? It has been inspired by my friends jungle creatures. Stands head and shoulders above yours humans'.

 

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