English language questions

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  1. Herr Durr

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    soooooo... get to work @mild pump milk you've got about a month to finish this little gem..
    or try the Butcher Babies version for some updated horror...




    @Sylenth.Will.Fall close good Sir moose.. but sadly a bit off the mark.. it was from
    a guy named Bong Crosby... Songs for the Undead album....look it up.. 100% true.. :bleh:
     
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  2. crecy

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    About English at the source though, I believe North American English has become the standard, it has improved pronunciation and conserves older spellings. Same for French it feels, the North American version is a major improvement, but the source is the source, that's for sure. I don't think Britain considers American English better and France considers it "colonial". I wonder if that's how it feels for Spanish and Portuguese.
     
  3. Herr Durr

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    Outside of the USA it seems to me British English is the preferred pronunciation... tho not in all cases..
    British English has harder to understand idioms tho.. you almost have to be a local...
    how many people around the world know what "higgledy piggledy" means ?
     
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  4. mozee

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    I beg to differ. They are different languages and North American french is an almost entirely different language when spoken (as in you might not be understood in France.)

    There is no better or worse, consider them dialects but trying to tier them into a better or worse is marking a preference. If you are talking about popularity and numbers - nobody comes close to competing with Indian English (they have the numbers Gi.)
     
  5. Sylenth.Will.Fall

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    I cant believe this but I swear, I actually put my hand up :O (I remember my teacher first using that when I was about 7, usually after she got all flustered)

    And I'm still in shock when i consider what the odds were of that bing/ bong crosby scenario!!!


    Just a thought @Herr Durr, what do you know what is meant by 'a bit previous?'
     
  6. Sylenth.Will.Fall

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    If you REALLY want to know what (The collective) Brits think of American English, (not sure whether I should say this, but hey we are all friends here..right? :D) Webster changed the language all those years ago because Americans weren't intellectual enough to be able to cope with the spellings. Personally speaking however, I believe it was because you wanted your own identity:-

    Driving on the opposite side of the road
    Having the date the opposite way around to us. Today = 13-09-17 here

    Obviously there are many more, but I get it. What would be the difference between The US and UK without all those slight differences?
     
  7. crecy

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    yeah, there's Cajun and Acadian French that are difficult to understand, but Canadian French and France is much closer. It's a lot like British and North American. The difference is hilarious if you compare "simpsons" episodes, or listen to the "flinstones" in Quebec French.
     
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    (hand in the air, hand in the air, hand in the air) Sir, sir pick me sir, me (holding right arm up with left arm) me, me.
    I had a teacher who swore that he was "conflustigated" whenever he thought we did anything dumb.
    As far as I know, that word still does not exist.
    Except that it does, of course (quod erat demonstrandum), QED, because he invented it.
    English is a language very easy to play with in lots of fun ways - especially since it doesn't baulk at pilfering from as many other languages as possible.
    I write this wearing my pyjamas whilst sitting on the veranda of my bungalow in a quiet cul de sac gazing across to the HaHa, enjoying the shadenfreude of... of...
    oh well, I couldn't think of 'owt else, maybe it's just the zeitgheist!
    :)
     
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    I sure am proud of our English heritage, I find all those little differences interesting. However, many French influenced spellings or words have been absorbed. I personally try and choose the ones that are the most of Anglo-Saxon or Germanic origin if possible, but in the end, as long as we can understand each other. I love hearing all those accents across North America and Britain!
     
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    yeah, that is an awesome word, it conveys something definitely irresistible, brings back memories! I was forgetting something.
     
  11. Herr Durr

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    @Sylenth.Will.Fall sure early Americans 1700's were a rough cut bunch.. farmers ..hard working sort of folks..hunting and growing their food.. schools such as were available were sometimes only attended for none or a few years at best..
    so English in the USA developed under such circumstances. Then I wonder what the literacy rate in England was during those times too. Seems like there would have been some more mutually unintelligible dialects then as well? Then you always had your Welsh and Gaelic with their own words thrown into the larger English pool...

    Early American legend Daniel Boone had several "bear trees" that documented the ferocious animals he killed, however his inscriptions also documented his atrocious spelling, and likely his "redneck" pronunciation as well.

    bear trees.jpg

    Its inscription, about six feet off the ground, was "D. Boon CillED A. BAr on tree in the YEAR 1760."

    just a random guess Sir Moose... in the recent past perhaps? :bleh:
     
  12. foster911

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    What about "topsy turvy"?:bleh:
     
  13. mild pump milk

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    ... Will Crawl To Kill/Get You (more negative and too bad probably..)
    ... Will Crawl Towards You (but if Crawl TO You is still correct - it would be better, it is shorter than TOWARDS)
    ... Will Crawl Over You (over still means like as towards? Over is not as ABOVE?)

    So these variants are correct?
     
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    Just substitute crab for spider..

     
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    Creepy Crawly..........used as the hook on The Who's Boris the Spider? That kinda thing? Creepy Crawly covers any insect percieved as nasty.

    creepy-crawly

    noun
    informal
    noun: creepy-crawly; plural noun: creepy-crawlies
    1. 1.
      a spider, worm, or other small flightless creature, especially when considered unpleasant or frightening.
      "Sylvia started to hallucinate, seeing creepy-crawlies on her bed"
    adjective
    adjective: creepy-crawly
    1. 1.
      causing an unpleasant feeling of fear or unease.
      "creepy-crawly stories"

    Remember crabs is also a term used for pubic lice. Maybe substitute creepy crawley for crabs?

    We say that "things" make our skin crawl when the are scary which I mentioned earlier.
     
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    I will take this as for voices/whisper lyrics. There will be a lot of interesting stuff, concept is extending)
     
  18. Sylenth.Will.Fall

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    Mate I am so sorry, I feel really guilty. I played my part in forgetting all about your conundrum and going off on tangents.


    1) Exactly what creature is it, as different creatures move in different ways. Therefore the term will be different.

    A crab will scuttle towards you (because of it's sideways movement)
    An insect will crawl towards you (or fly towards you)
    A fast animal will hurtle towards you
    A burglar might creep towards you

    'to you' means you have asked it to, or expected it, where as 'towards you' might suggest you do not want it to happen, and (or) may possess potentially harmful connotations!

    So, a baby might crawl to you, if you call it with open arms!

    See the difference? Although it can call towards you as well.. ugh..


    Edit:-

    I've come to the conclusion this stuff is easy as long as you don't have to explain it!



    How about, write things the way you wish them to be written, then we can amend anything that sounds wrong?


    Now I cant remember who I was answering.. I think I'll go back to work..... for a rest!
     
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    So, Towards is correct one..OK
    I will reconsider/revise this on my EP.
     
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    You'd need Will Crawl Over To You
    Over You would make me think on top or over the top.

    I used to have such difficulty explaining to my German friends why one word is preferred over another in such sentences. My grammar is for sure not perfect, but I've always read a lot which helped.

    @mild pump milk, I've gotta say this is a GREAT use of this forum to reach out for help with these types of things! :mates:
     
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