Real analog tape sound

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  1. Menorah

    Menorah Producer

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    Hola Domingo, ¿podrías poner unos ejemplos de audio de antes y después de haber aplicado el efecto? Saludos.
     
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  2. Elisea

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    I also wouldn't want to go back. And i think you've found the perfect mix of both worlds. But for that you need more space and lose some flexibility. And this is the reason i gave up every hardware setup and only use my computer. I own a mic pre amp, a mic and some guitar effects. And of course an keyboard (old sampler). If it would be more than a hobby i would do probably the same as you.

    But its kind of weird that most disturbing things from then got later features of emulating software. I mean noise and humming were a big deal. You had to handle it with noise gates and whatever. And today you find simulations of it in compressor plugins etc. Same thing with sample rates. We baught an EMAX I from second hand. But every one hated it because of its low sampling rate. So we bought an EMAX II and didn't realise it was a step back in sounding because it had indeed a higher sampling rate but didn't have the fat analog filters anymore. I mean every focus then was on technical aspects and hardly on "analog sounding" or "digital character". You didn't realise that the things you used had a lot of character. So i guess its a temporary fashion of every generation of audio engineers to look for things they can't have or affort. And maybe today its kind of a reflection of the oversaturated consumer mentality. Most people have no idea how much potential their equipment has. They are looking for mojo but should use their things to full capacity first.

    But back to the topic. Its a really nice idea to offer such a service. I wouldn't consider it for final mixes but for stereo guitar tracks or drums only etc.
     
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  3. Backtired

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    ORIGINAL TRACK
    This is the original track. I didn't want to link my website or anything, but I wanted to use .wavs. It's one of the first serious releases I did. This is the short version of the track. It's kind of dance. To me it sounds mixed "well", but maybe some of you might say "oh wow this is terrible, can't compare, too shitty" bla bla bla. The truth is I don't really care lol :p And besides they only accepted a certain size of .wav files. LINK: LINK HERE (if embed below's not working)


    TRACK FROM WATAPE
    This is the track I got from Watape. Uploaded wav. LINK: LINK HERE (same below)
    https://clyp.it/4bxx1ypl


    edit –– oh wow i just forgot to level match them. well, just turn down volume on first one I guess :dunno:
     
  4. ed-enam

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    Thanks @Backtired. In my understanding, it does smooth out the peaks as well as digital harshness. Website accepts only 16bit files, so there could be some loss of details but still tape saturation brings life into the track. I like the results, even though am listening on my in ears monitors and not on speaker monitors. Here is a track for some more comparison. Note that, there are drop outs artifacts around 00:18 and 02:00 onwards and at the end. Track is unfinished.

    Original: https://clyp.it/3wanastk
    Watape: https://clyp.it/e0v3tk2z
     
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  5. Backtired

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    I heard, also in mine, a lot of differences in the high end.
    It does sound a lot smoother. But I'm pretty sure this can be achieved with a nice mix and maybe a tape emulation.
    Or maybe I'm wrong and this is super magic stuff, who knows

    The differences are minimal, but the taped version really does sound better
     
  6. Von_Steyr

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    Sounds ok, but comes with too much noise floor and too many artifacts for serious usage, unless this is the effect you are looking for.
     
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  7. ed-enam

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    Of course wasn't going for artifacts and would never go for them. I have yet to hear on speakers to get the correct idea of noise floor but if you are saying this, means would be true. What I noticed that it does smooth out the harshness. Still looking for that mojo in plugins but always keep coming back to Nebula R2R presets. Also, the file is 16bit but the HQ mix is quite different. Just wanted to know how it sounds on a real machine compared to digital.
     
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  8. digitaldragon

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    Yes, agreed. I love the Wollensak on distorted guitars.
     
  9. Von_Steyr

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    Ed you can tame the highs like you`ve said with Nebula just fine, also theres the PinkCM, lindell te-100, AIR EQ, these are all excelent plugins and dont forget Satin or VTM.
     
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  10. subGENRE

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    @Von_Steyr Always dropping straight knowledge on us.
     
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  11. Von_Steyr

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    Man if i ever get a label going i`ll sign you just for being such a great guy :mates:
    @ed-enam as well. :mates:
     
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  12. ed-enam

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    Yes and thanks for reminding me of these. I am finding more and more inclined towards Nebula these days and while Love PinkCM, I never tried others taht you've quoted. You are right that said plugins would perfectly do the job of taming high end and at the same time, in my experience, a GOOD tape or saturation plugin will naturally remove the digital harshness transforming it to a rounded mix and pleasing to hear. I got free CDSoundmaster's R2R RVX 7.5ips good for this and so many other tasks, which you can also get by contacting Michael Angel, the owner. Will check some of those you recommended. Thanks bud.
     
  13. subGENRE

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    @ed-enam
    The lindel te-100 is so nice at taming and fattening the sound. I like to use it just for the transformer and tube sat it has in it. Sometimes I dont even engage the eq
     
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  14. ed-enam

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    Oh cool! That's something interesting and now I know why Von recommended it. Thanks bud ....will check that soon. :wink:
     
  15. Von_Steyr

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    Nebula takes lots of power and most of my projects are low on oxygen, lol.
    You can make a pretty big hi cut curve with AIREQ and then add some AIR to bring back more silky highs.
    Ignore the graph in the pic though.
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  16. subGENRE

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    @Von_Steyr
    @WillTheWeirdo was saying before. print the tracks with it. He mentioned something about having them (Nebula) on his returns for verbs and bouncing them too.
    I like to keep all my mixing plugs "live" too but....
    All the instrument and synths are bounced already. I just need to bounce them with some nebulas on them I guess.
    No one ever told me to keep them live when mixing, it just seemed like common sense, but I could be mistaken. Its a sacrifice to make for THAT sound. Bouncing comps and verbs that is
     
  17. Backtired

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    @Von_Steyr and all the other gurus: what do you think of Izotope Ozone's tape saturation module?
     
  18. Von_Steyr

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  19. digitaldragon

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    I've been using Ozone's EQ for most surgical work, cuts mainly. Partly for it's ease of use, but also due to the nice spectrum display. I think I'm going to take a look at this one though. It looks pretty similar in terms of what you can do with it. Ozone's EQ just feels kind of sterile to me now.
    Fabrice Gabriel, isn't that Slate's plugin designer?
     
  20. Von_Steyr

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    Yes, though Fabrice has his own company Eiosis, but he frequently collaborates with Slate.
    http://www.eiosis.com/
     
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