Yeah. And that's why e.g. Adobe and Autodesk establishing "Abonnements" instead of perpetual licenses (Or: The invention of the paid standstill).
And M$ will do this as well in a few years. It's because they want to milk the cashcows but don't know any (really) new features for their titles to implement. W10 was just a first step in that direction. But maybe, when OS vendors are not forced to implemet "new features" and thingies all the time, they start to optimize speed (hope-hope-hope) and, what would be a good idea, a version for spezialized tasks. Is the creators update a (ok, very tiny) step in the direction?

 

You're right. That's really embarrasing.

1992 I started programming a bigger software project (financial industry). Back then, the average PC RAM was 2 or 4 Megabytes and after loading the OS (Win 3.1 later WfW 3.11), about 1 MB was free. So I always tried to get a RAM footprint far below 1 MB. Otherwise it took the main App 2 Minutes to load, because RAM had to be cached to harddisk and back. The program is still in use today and it's lightning fast on a modern machine (specs back in 1992: 4MB RAM, 200 MB harddisk, pricetag $2,000)

BUT: In the early eighties i programmed a similar software for a MAI Mini-Computer with terminals. (you can think of a terminal as a Remote Desktop session today). By average, it took the terminal 2 seconds to load the program on a busy 10-Terminal-host (specs: 128 KB(!) RAM, 10 MB harddisk, pricetag $100,000) .
In retrospect, my 1992 program was far less efficient than the 1982 one.

It's easy: As a programmer you are lazy and you'll only do what is demanded. And with every step forward in speed, you'll be more "generous" with RAM, disk space etc. Most of the overhead of the apps is GUI without any use but to look pretty. So, a memory footprint of Gigabytes is normal today. A thousand times more than in the 90ies. The speed of OS and CPUs is faster as well so, at the end, a PC is as slow as it was 1992.
Ok, but in the 80ies you had to be quite a specialist to proper set up a DOS machine with networking. Thats done by everybody in minutes today. So if you think of functionality, life is easy today.

 

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some .bat from ni are pseudo to unload unwanted services when making music, most of network services ,index, update and antivirus Are disabled
I agree with atari midi power , masterclock of a live set melting hardware and computer

 

If you ask me and that is just my personal opinion from watching how they operate, is that Win 10 was deliberately made a bloated pos so they can sunk the MS ship and start anew, with a better, faster, different OS, at least this is what they will be telling us it is.
They are really transparent.Same thing they did with Myspace, it was perfect and then they ruined it into a total mess, so they could force FB keep all the sheeple on one platform.
Same shit will happen with MS, you will see.
Suddenly somebody else will buy them or a 3rd company will emerge from somewhere, another "teen genius" from his bedroom will write a magnificent code, while in reality the hole fucking pentagon will be behind that "genius".

 

@trutzburg That's precisely what I am saying, but nicely elaborated.

I use anything that I consider practical or best sounding for making music. No matter if it's made in 1996 or 2016.

The situation with operating systems for multimedia/real time processing is saddening. I know a lot about operating systems and personally use Windows XP, W7, Debian, and OS-X, of which IMHO Linux is actually the most efficient at low latencies when configured properly, with RT kernel, like KXStudio. However, it is not so much better than properly configured Windows, and we all know that the best music software [except for Logic] is written for Windows, so we are kinda stuck with it. OS-X is generally the same as Windows but with less software and less efficient as it is also not optimised for real time applications.

Neither Microsoft nor Apple cares about musician's needs as we are just a marginal percentage of users. However, things do work somehow. It's not like our computers struggle that much to achieve low latencies for recording. It could be better, though, and that bothers me. Imagine working with 1ms latency, for example. A good RT operating system made for music and video editing should be able to cope with such low latencies.

My dream is that some day more developers will release their audio software for Linux and we can use a specially optimised OS for RT usage like KXStudio for making music. If one is content with using Reaper and u-he synths, it is already possible, but I miss Native Instruments, Fabfilter, Cytomic, Relab, SoundToys and some others that are top of the line developers. Also, we need manufacturers like RME and Focusrite to release official drivers for Linux. I have a dream...

*Very* interesting notion, @Von_Steyr! It is puzzling how Microsoft is ignoring their user's wishes, almost like they want to ruin Windows on purpose, but it must be just greed that is driving them into a wrong direction. Money is always at the centre of any problem. Our society is funked up to the bone. We need a drastic change of values in our society. e.g. human garbage like Donald Trump should be condemned and marginalised, maybe sent to a desert island, or Mars, Moon penal colony of some kind? , but not become the president.

 

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problem with operating systems is they actually perform best at only very narrow range of hardware configurations, means that for ex. once you get a decent SSD you may have much better experience running OS which was designed to effectively use SSD, but same OS would terribly fail with HDD used for system drive, similarly old OS designed for barely mediocre HDDs will not run much faster on SSD

 

Interesting, though I don't think it'll come this way. Because Windows is an OS and not a hobby chit chat or asocial network. Maybe it would be best, but they will not let it die.
Maybe, MS will go back a step and build a new OS based, say, on Windows NT or Unix for professionals (but I don't think they have the balls)

The way, MS was making shit out of a usable OS happened the same way to Apple. Twice. They were fiddling around with MacOS until it was rendered unusable, then, when Apple almost failed, they bought NexTStep from Jobs's NexT, built an exellent OS and started fiddling again. And now OS X again is almost ruined.

Both should have drawn a lesson from this: At a certain point you have to go back to the basics and build the OS from the ground up or you'll run into hefty problems. But they didn't.

 

I would like to see geographical Informations about that. Pretty sure you ll see xp is mainly used in the 2nd and 3rd world. No offense or anything. Avast is free by the way - which also makes them strong in areas where people have no money. Again no offense or anything i use it too. But without any geographical and system information this Information is worth a poop.


I use windows 10 and to be honest i did not notice any diffrence in my workflow or daw resource use compared to my earlier windows 7 system. The only diffrence i really noticed is win 10 boots way faster.

By the way its an optimized no internet DAW only music making workstation i use.

 

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without being offended (i come from the 1st world, Southamerica) i want to bring you some light to your awareness about the reality: People without (and with) resources crack and hack software. I have seen millions of people working with windows-pcs & hackintoshs at the last stand (windows10, macOS Sierra); inclusive at stores, call centers, institutions, etc, etc...). I've worked in Germany and at the radio station they had Avast free... also, not being offended..

 

"The only diffrence i really noticed is win 10 boots way faster."
that's because since Windows 8, Microsoft hidden automatic hibernation there, so basically the OS is not shutting down at all,
from this perspective, wake from hibernation in Windows 7 is faster anyway :P

 

Seems you are offended. I have to imply that cause you mentioned so often you are not offended.

You saw 1000 000? I doubt this. Maybe you saw 10 or lets be polite you saw 100 . Thats still not representative for round about 7.508.888.660 people on this planet. Count 2 more each second since i posted that number


Sure xp is still used in the first world too. But that does not change my point. Without geographical information and/or system information, the information is a worth a poop.

 

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i'm not offended, i just wrote it so. I am a very mature person... ;)

to affirm something like you have done, would be important to have reliable sources (data bases, reccount, surveys, etc.)

 

the way i see it there are two ways



either you get on the marketing train, be amazed by the new features and enjoy the new os features, talk to your computer and shit

OR

you keep it simple, use what works for you and dont get distracted by agendas which do not add any value to you or your life

 

Yes. Kinda like... blue or red pill.

I've always preferred the red ones.

 

I am just reading an interview with the late Roland founder Ikutaro Kakehashi. These two questions and his answers caught my eye and immediately made me think about the attitude that corporations like Microsoft and Apple have towards their customers, and I think it will be their downfall. I am absolutely sure of that. Sooner or later. Mark my words. We can live without both Microsoft and Apple just fine already. It's just that many people haven't realised that yet. Anyway, here's the excerpt:

Q: The Jupiter 8 was one of your first synthesizers, before MIDI. And then the JC120 was the first amplifier with a built in analog chorus. And later you took a big share of the drum market with your electronic drums. That's a lot of different customers with different perspective and disciplines. How did you manage to keep all of that together?

A: I never tried to manage customers. I think musicians have managed me.

Q: So your ability to listen to customers has contributed greatly to your success...

A: Correct.

Roland is still a very successful company, but it was the most successful under his leadership, for decades, and they produced some of the best electronic instruments ever. I rest my case.

Link: http://www.kvraudio.com/interviews/...ith-ikutaro-kakehashi-founder-of-roland-36533