Or like a gong but smaller.....

 

That's true, indeed. The hats, crash and ride of a 909 are samples - in case somebody from the "24-bit is sooo important thread" is reading this: those samples were in 6-bit and still influencing the entire music business

The drummer seems to give everything. I like the part when he hits two toms nearly in the same moment (every time with the exact same delay I bet - a drum computer can't do much better). It's like "hitting" a 2 key chord by drums. Hats off!

 

@errorjan Chris Coleman is like a real drum computer. He can play 100% in time with computer metronome. He is the best to play in time and ¨out of time¨ (artificial pulse). Take a close look and listen this:

@TruBlood This video is best for you see the Ride Cymbal in action...

 

Well, it's the same ride, but you either hit the edge or the bell in the center

 

My friend, i have a TR-909 since 1989. You simply cannot compare the sample rate of the cymbals of the 1984 TR-909 which otherwise is an analog drum machine, with modern software samplers/daws 33 years later. Don't get over excited about its legendary sound either, unless you have used one, you would know this fat bitch has a noisy/hissy output. And that is on all 12 outputs but most prominent yes,on those 6bit sampled cymbals. But this is part of its charm actually. As for the 24bit, i will skip the literature atm, i would like to see and hear anyone of this era try to record on 6 bit and make a hit on any kind of music. You never see it because you will sound worse than recording on one of these:

 

Listen to the hit's which sound like a cross between a ping and a bell, That/this is what a ride cymbal is best used for I believe (the bell) however they can sound good utilized similar to a crash but crashes are usually far superior for the job and for a thrashing nasty wash a good china will always pwn a ride

 

On the right side there is 1 ride or are those 2 different ridges? 1 being the rhythm one and the other being more of a splash? Or is it just 1 the one used as a ride?

 

I was half joking but not really in my previous answer. The purpose of a ride is to go ting ta ting ting in off beats to keep time. A lot of standard rock beats are just bass, snare, and ride. If you want a splash or crash (I find more annoying when overused) then use those cymbals. You can certainly bash the hell out of a ride for a splashier effect, but I find them more appropriate for light ringing... uhhhhhh again "ting" sounding time keeping in lieu of a high-hat. Erm... just watch this one min video (it was just a quick google)...

 

Yes, exactly what I was thinking, or a china/trash if you're not looking for the bell sound

 

More Chris Coleman
Like whoa, fvk a ride, I want a gong (and a room for it)

 

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The ride cymbal is the saxophone of cymbals

 

The names tell it all. The ride cymbal is used to "ride" along the beat, while the crash cymbal is used to accentuate a certain point (like the end of a fill, for example). Whenever you see a (regular-handed) drummer reaching out his right arm to a lower placed cymbal, playing longer on it - that's the ride cymbal.

 

Literally the best answer

 

1:14, right hand - ride cymbal

 

Hey Taskforce,
First of all: I really have deepest respect of those "analog natives" (in terms of Roland instruments; I know Kraftwerk&co are the real ones many years before) who were born at the right time, choose the "right" hobby (I assume back then really because they resp. you loved the music and not the money one could make) and did beats (mostly rap or techno; doesn't matter as it's not a question of genre but of good music) as pinoeers that influenced the music until today.

The same respect I have for those musicans how can play "real" instruments like in the video - especially when they can do it, like Iodice mentioned, in a way a drum computer can do. I whish I could, but I need to set the notes manually in Ableton via Midi to make sound.

Regarding timing - there is no chance being more precise than a computer, but there is the possiblity to add something that drum computers aren't capable off - human warmness. Cauz I don't know much about drumming techniques I can only assume: By dynamic hit velocity, where/how to hit a tom, stoppng cymbals manually by hand, representing the mood on some bad days by slightly out of sync etc - you guys here know what I mean. That's the big contrast to analog resp. digital instruments.
What makes even me a bit scary, is, that some days before I evaluated a guitar VSTi which have a "humanize" mode, which is adjustable from 0 to 100% and which does not more than simulating "human weakness". So a producer can say these days "should sound like John Bonham so I set it to 32%". Really somehow scary..

I'm more a "digital native" guy, born in late 70s - so too late for being able to really see - better: understand - the birth of 303/707/808/909 e-music, beginning DJing in 1996 (stopped in 1999 for reasons, restartet 2 years ago with producing just as a hobby) and wouldn't call me a musican. My definition is that a Musican is doing art. I'm doing beats that sounds cool (sometimes;), and I like it, but it isn't art as long as everybody can do so on a 300$ PC or even mobile phone. But at least I don't use drum loops - that's not much, but something =)

Back in those days, when you bought the TR-909, the situation was another than today, I assume? I wish I had a time machine and could travel back to those days for a week to see how it felt being a pioneer and one of the first lucky guys making experiences with these first (for non-pros affordable) drum machines in the underground.
At least I was there some years later, spinning the turntables and playing the music you created some years before (maybe there was a track on vinyl you created that i scratched;). But that was already the time when everything was about to get commerical. And I was "commercialized", too (is there this English word? if not, it should be there^^)...
So finally, I have no idea how a real, original 909 "really" sounds or better feels like. I've got a TR-8, but I don't need to explain you that this is just a digital emulation of the original. At least it makes fun playing it so being able to get an idea of that feeling.

Sorry, getting too melancholic.. Just want say that I sometimes hate god that he gives silicon the property to be an electronic semiconductor - if you know what I mean (without silicon, DAWs weren't possible that way and we would still live in those "analog" days).

And regarding the 6-bit samplerate: Who cares.. I just wanted to say that it doesn't matter much if the sample rate is low - the 909 cyms have a great, unique sound, even when for cost reasons at those days compressed to 6-bit. I don't want get into technical details - can we just say that 6-bit those early days were sufficent for making great sounds and these days it's ok if somebody is thinking he needs 64 or whatever bits of sample [EDIT: depth]? (there is no need doing so, but maybe the person feels better than;)

Cheers.

 

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and so on …

 

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Absolutely. I 'm with you. I wrote only to distinguish that different time periods imply different "practices", in our case due to technological advancements. Roland made the 909 as a cheaper alternative to the already highly successful Linn and Oberheim drum machines. But because they cut down the cost ,the 909 came to sound as it did and originally it wasn't much of a "seller" to begin with heheh. Our thanks should go to the Detroit and Chicago artists, and the -little later- Acid House artists, who brought these machines to the spotlight and became the center of modern electronic music.
Arguably, it is those simple "mistakes" or "cutdowns" like Roland did (ie, the 303 was supposed to simulate a real electric bass, and as we all know it is a bass synth alright but nothing like a real bass), that led to some magical moments in electronic music and the creation of modern classics.
So, i have the utmost respect for anyone who struggles to make some music, beats, whatever from within the heart and for the love of music and what they use is of no importance, only the journey is important (imho always). Personally i wouldn't know where to start if i started 5-10 even 15 years ago, because although i enjoy it, i find this era just too cluttered with information of any kind. So if i can add a little piece of original history in these conversations we 're doing here, it's only because in many occasions i was there in those times, and i try to "pass" my point of view as unbiased as i can possibly be, and please forgive me if sometimes i come as strict or rough , it is not intentional
Peace and love mate , cheers

 

909 was also not a good seller at the beginning? Interessting, I thought it was just the 303 (many knows the story: *after* somebody found out how to make Acid Sound and especially how it sounds like , it sells like hell - not sure whether at that time the 303 was still in production). Need to look some documentations the next days again.. It's always fun to see how things developed.

How long you needed to handle the machine? What you used to create the bassline - or do you used the 909 bassdrum with long release "as bassline" like it was common for Techno? Do you also owned a 303?

>Our thanks should go to the Detroit and Chicago artists, and the -little later- Acid House artists, who brought these machines to the spotlight and became the center of modern electronic music.

For sure! I know by books when it started within the underground scene there, but it is never written when it gets "popular" (better say known) in other countries - I only know of Berlin end of 1990. Are you located in Europe or the US?

 

Putting some of those in a club and having a (good!!) DJ for every of those "little bigger" cymbals could get the next trend of clubbing

 

A ride cymbal is called a ride cymbal because you can hit it hard repetitively and it's sound does not swell up over the sound of the next strike by the stick. (say, if you are playing eighth notes) Repeating strikes for a while means you are "riding" it. If you repeat strikes on a crash cymbal, the individual notes get lost in the swelling wash of sound. Where you put any percussive sound is up to you (or your friendly percussionist/drummer). A ride cymbal is just a cymbal with a different sound from a crash, splash, china type, etc. I have a Zildjian 22" "ping ride" I bought in 1976, an a Sabian 20" "Sound Control" I bought in 1988. One makes more of a ping, like it's name, and the other one does a better job of sounding like a "spang", from how some jazz drummers call a swing pattern a "spang-a-lang". Very expensive pieces of bronze, and we drummers tend to get attached certain cymbals.

 

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