Help me get this list right...

Discussion in 'Studio' started by MrLyannMusic, Mar 16, 2017.

  1. MrLyannMusic

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    Hey Fellas, i'm making a list and choosing hardware and pieces that i'm going to buy in a few months for my studio Project,

    I have come up with a list, still open for discussion, changing and modifications, and i'm seeking your help, with whatever recommendation or critics or whatever you have to say, to make it perfect, (or at least as good as possible)...

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    Budget is somehow good, between 8000-to 16000€.
    Studio is for Music Composing, Audio Recording, Mixing And mastering.
    I'm Going to be recording, From Vocals, To Guitars (Electric & Acoustic), To a whole band nothing specific, All Genres...

    so far here is my list :

    Casque :
    • Beyerdynamic DT-770 Pro 250 Ohm (119€)
    • AKG K-240 Studio (58€) x 2
    Microphone :
    • Slate Digital Virtual Microphone System (1.279€)
    • Shure SM57 LC (109€)
    Moniteurs :
    • Yamaha HS 8 (285€) x 2
    • KRK RP8 RoKit G3 Stand Bundle (479€)
    • Behringer Control2USB (159€)
    Audio interface :
    • Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 2nd Gen (382€)
    • Focusrite Scarlett OctoPre Dynamic (599$ dollars)
    Mixer :
    • Presonus StudioLive 32.4.2 AI (2.211€)
    Computer Monitor :

    • Samsung U28E590D Ecran PC LED 28 (360€) x 2

    as i said nothing is finished and list is still open for changes...

    waiting for your comments, & i have faith in you guys.
     
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  3. boomoperator

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    Always nice to spend a bag of money on gear..
    Before thinking of equipment, I'd start with the room. Is it already treated, sounding nice? Same goes for the control room. Have you thought of silent air conditioning? Musicians and equipment will produce a lot of heat, and you're located in the Middle East..
    For a 'serious' studio I would contact an acoustic designer.

    Why choose the Presonus StudioLive, have you considered more options? This desk looks like a typical live desk with recording options.
    More stuff to think about: a cable plan, power conditioner, a backline, more microphones, tripods, headphones, lounge area, storage, equipment room, alarm, insurance.
    Monitors: a typical studio has Flush mounted (bigger) main monitors and 1 or 2 pairs of nearfields.
     
  4. MrLyannMusic

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    Thank you for your reply Boom, already have thought and have a plan and contacted an acoustic designer for the room, but we cannot start working on a plan until all the equipment are here and all the design and plans will be based on the equipment not sure how to explain this right now, but we cannot do a real plan until everything is here, so we can starting with the measurements, also the desk will be made specially for my room... hope you get this point.

    silent air conditioning, that i did not, i already have an air conditioner, but nothing special about it... point noted Thankyou!

    for the Presonus StudioLive, my choice is based on a lot of thinking, one of the reasons, is future proof, as i plan to use another room, for musicians and stuff...

    cable plan is already inculded in my plan but after measurements are taken...

    One of the reasons i posted this is for more microphones options, i have few more in mind, not yet sure about it, as i have a lot of homework to do...

    as for alarm, and insurance that's my dad's area lol...

    for storage room, i already have one.

    i would love to ask from you some mics recommandations if you have something in mind...

    again thank you!
     
  5. boomoperator

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    Alright, seems you do take it all seriously :drummer: About Microphones: all depending on the type of instruments and musical style. Maybe you have a rental house nearby, to rent them first? Some ideas: for copper (and other appliances), AKG 414 is still widely used. On percussion: Sennheiser 421, On vocals: a nice big Neumann. Many studios have a backline: a drumkit, guitar & bass amps (both DI & miked), drumkit mics: usually Shure/AKG, maybe invest in triggers and a drummachine/sampler..
    Processing: have a combination of in the box & outboard gear. Get Legal software: if musicians pay for studio time and notice Warez, you're not looking very professional.. Think of marketing, a website, word of mouth. Know your competitors. It's a business after all..
     
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  7. MrLyannMusic, what kind of things will you be recording? I see that you wish to have 16 inputs but just two microphones? Do you have others?
     
  8. MrLyannMusic

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    Of Course i take it seriously lol,

    About Microphones, here what i have in mind, a complete Drums mic set, Dual Mic for Acoustic Guitars, 2 mics for Vocals, and lastly for Guitars Recording,

    a somehow updated list :

    2 x Townsend Labs Sphere L22
    2 x Warm Audio WA-87
    2 x Shure SM57 LC
    1 x Slate Digital Virtual Microphone System
    2 x Studio Projects T3 MkII
    1 x Neumann M149
    1 x Neumann U87 Ai

    i'm still working on the drum mics, i'll have to do my homework about the one you mentioned.
    about warez, i'm planning on getting what i need when i travel to Europe next year...

    i have an advantage, wish is where i'm located, find a Professional Studio here, is almost impossible, either people have to travel a lot or just go to an "ok" studio, where i'l be working is like the centre (heart) of this country, easy to travel or to go from/to... i'll be planning on what you call "word of mouth" as a lot of my friends are in bands, and the circle is tight in here, if you get what i mean...


    You're the man my friend!

    Thank you for your Post man! well this setup is built with "Future Proof" in mind, importing this kind of stuff in my country is almost impossible luckily i have some good connections wish will help me get this to the country without really paying taxes or whatever...

    I'll be recording all kind of genres, Bands, individuals, rappers, and from Rock to Metal, there is no limit actually...

    i'll keep you guys updates, but please don't forget to link me any piece/mic/hardware you're gonna suggest, either from Thomann.de or Sweetwater, Again Thank you!
     
  9. dondada

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    since im not too sure (exactly) what it is you are going for i give you 2 options

    1) for you "alone"
    in the comming weeks slate is going to release their new hardware with a cool bundle @the bootom right VSR 2 Bundle
    http://slatedigital.com/3566max45/
    6 mics 8 pres + Monitoring 2 sets +1j of all slate soft.
    you would still need another 8pres
    I like Audient asp800 (linkable per adat)
    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ASP800
    all in + audient 3,8k maybee less

    2) If you want to Start a Studio (somewhat comercial)
    i and most people would recomend getting loads of mics ala sm57 or 58.
    that is better than a few boutiqe mics and not being able to record a jaming session
    right when you need it. everything always miced!

    this will sound wild but makes sense later
    Merging Hapi +16 mic pres and 16 analog out
    8aes/ebu + 8adat or 2spdif over Ravenna aes67
    cost 6.3k but you dont need any more mic pres (for a start)
    and these are top of the line. since this is a conversion and mix matrix monster you can monitor too.
    http://vintageking.com/merging-technologies-hapi
    the option cards
    http://vintageking.com/merging-technologies/
    Interesting why, you could offer your service to wider clientele
    like jasss or classic the most important the pres are already there and a few cool mics, you see :)
    but you still got 10k to spend on propper monitors and so on

    i like the yamahas. (you could get used pmc tb2AII for around 1k)
    instead of the mixer you could get a (daw)controller now
    https://www.thomann.de/gb/icon_daw_controllers.html
    the new or the old here in action


    i like the ultrawide monitors half of 4k
    or a bigger 4k display looks and feels great to work on (just an idea)

    lastly i am still a big friend of 2nd hand. it doesnt need to be rotten you know
    like this tremendous deal here
    https://reverb.com/item/2758215-prism-atlas-2016-white
    nearly 2k off the new and quasi new, on the same level as the merging gear (sonicly)


    if fan of hardware lookout for bettermaker gear
    analog digitaly controlled quasi vst hardware :)))
    https://www.sweetwater.com/store/manufacturer/Bettermaker
     
  10. taskforce

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    Seriously, i can't believe how people are buying into this. A close buddy and collaborator (we 've done 2 albums together) has two Presonus mixers in his project/recording studio, a 32ch is his central mixer and a 16ch as a sub mixer handling more of his numerous synths. They both broke many times just out of the blue for no apparent reason. We both agreed Presonus is quite expensive for the build quality and how it sounds. Honestly, you 'd be better off with one of the latest Behringer mixers like the x32. More or less its built quality is in a similar fashion but more importantly it sounds better (32 Midas preamps is not a joke), and has more features incl. moving faders and digital snake for future upgrades.
    As for the speakers i can humbly suggest to try the 3way/10" KRKs. If you plan to add a sub on your sys, the 8" will be fine though. Most cheap 8" monitors may extend some hz lower over their 6" equivalents but are typically less punchy, more muddy. On a personal note, i find people working on latest Yamaha monitors to be quite masochistic lol. They have the worse bass response in the category, inconsistent mids, shadowed stereo image and do not reveal enough detail for the price you pay. What they do have is a white woofer lol. I 'd sit and mix on NS10s anytime but not on HS.
    For the mics i would skip on all but the Neumanns and Shure. Keep your money and don't believe the hype, if i may say so. Unless of course you tried the Slate mic and it rocked your world :)
    From my perspective, for your critical recordings, such as vocals or acoustic instruments etc you have a solid state U87 and a tube M149, the only thing missing from the equation is a ribbon mic like a Royer R-121 which i think should be going for around 1200$. http://royerlabs.com/r-121/ . Btw, if you never had a U87 before, you will find yourself using it on fkn everything, it is so versatile and transparent, one hell of a classic.
    Cheers
     
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