Recorded Guitar Treatment

Discussion in 'Our Music' started by cxc90, Nov 15, 2011.

  1. cxc90

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    so i took a sampled guitar and try to make it sound the most natural possible, so tell me what you think it needs to sound better maybe ;)

    http://snd.sc/tG3cv8
     
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  3. thepopenale

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    Deadmau5 - Clockwork?

    It sounds okay but definitely not like a real acoustic guitar. Its too precise and unnatural sounding (groove-wise). I play acoustic and it just sounds too artificial.

    Add some subtle variety to velocity, note lengths etc. Move some midi note slightly off the quantised timeline. Just do as much as you can to "humanise" it. Then maybe add some subtle tape gain from a plugin and a bit more reverb.

    Try another sampled guitar playing the same pattern as the first (add some subtle changes again). Then pan one hard left, the other hard right.
     
  4. Baxter

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    Sounds way to artificial. I've played guitar for 20 years.

    First off, this is not hard to play on a real guitar. It's actually more work to implement all the endless nuances of a real guitar into a sampled (or a synthesized guitar, as it actually sounds like in this case). There are things like micro-tuning offsets for each string (different for every chord/strum/time), every string being hit is a sequence (not all at once), humanization (most DAWs have that option), overtones, etc etc
    Just get a cheap acoustic guitar, a mic+preamp and learn a few barre/barré chords (in major and minor). You will be rolling faster than you think.
     
  5. One Reason

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    Baxter, if it was just that easy for some of us *no* :rofl:

    I'm fortunate to have a guitarist, but I would dearly LOVE to learn how to play, I just dont have the wrists and fingers for it.

    as to the OP... yeah way too rigid and artificial sounding, heed the advice of the above posts.

    what plug were you using?
     
  6. opty

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    does not sound natural at all. sorry. more, like some weird all-downstroke-pattern played on a left-hand guitar by a right-handed person. way to mechanical. Still, if drowned in a dense mix it might work. In such a case I would go for some far out synthetic guitar sound so everyone in the know can hear that this is not intended to sound like the real thing.

    If you have access to some acoustic guitar but have a problem with chord fingerings you might try some open tunings (check wikipedia or google). that way you only need to use one finger and move that to play different chords. as for the right hand I found that some beginners (especially when they are really, really young) have an easier time (and more fun) using a thumb pick and strum using their thumb. You could try to layer that with the synth guitar sound.

    IMO the biggest problem with all those plugins is that you still have to know how the instrument behaves to get some result that is useful (same is true with trumpet, sax or horn VSTIs etc.)

    best,
    opty
     
  7. Guitarmaniac64

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    I think it will be better to learn just the open major chords.
    E,A,D,C,G, and then learn the open chords B7,D7,Cmaj7,Fmaj7,A7,E7,Emin,Emin7 have i forgot some open chords?

    Oh yes their is Diminished chord and Augmented but you can learn them later on as i dont think you ever gonna use them in your music?

    You can dl a chord book and work from there there is millions on internet.

    Most people who never have tried to play guitar but still wants to learn to play
    quit after some time.

    Thats beacuse it is to HARD to make the guitar to sound clean and nice unlike keyboard.

    And then comes the stretches of your fingers i seen people put the guitar away when they tried to stretch 3 frets.
    Have you forgot how hard it was?

    So my advice is go for open chords and buy a capo.

    Whit the capo you can play in any key just move the capo along the fretboard and play those five open chords and all other open chords aswell.

    The capo is a replacement of your index finger in a barre chord

    You only change their name and their SOUND of course

    And if you still think its fun after some months then try to learn barre chords
     
  8. G String

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    I'm just gonna repeat things already said, but it doesn't too bad to me. It sounds like a keyboard playing a guitar sample. It lacks the life of a real guitar, but you know that. ;) Mostly it's the absence of a variety in strokes, I guess - bit too neat, rigid and lacking variety in tone. The usual problems with playing samples of guitars? The advice given already sounds about right. Loosen it all up a bit, add variety, blah blah. A lot of work to get midi and samples to sound like real guitar. If you can play it really is easier to just play guitar. Otherwise perhaps some little delays might help scattered about - and a few tracks of similar thing, with small differences in timing etc. It's difficult.

    Indiginus.Torch.Electric.Guitar for Kontakt is the best thing I've found for getting sampled guitar to sound "real". ish. Does chords with a keypress, left set for down strokes, right for up. Combos can sound pretty convincing, tho one is probs better off just spending the time learning the real thing.

    Anyway - it doesn't sound too bad to my ear. Mess it up a bit, put the other instruments on it and see how it sounds. Might be alright?
     
  9. cxc90

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    thank you all for the feedback ;)
     
  10. PYRUS MALUS

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    Agreed, sounds like a scaled and arpeggiated chord
    There are some guitar emu synthesizers (VST) out there that sound pretty damn close to the true blue
    Never tried them myself, as most of them seem kinda complicated (to me -- But I don't know how to play Guitar either -- so ...)
    I am interested in hearing if others have worked with these -- and what sort of results they got out of it
    (Some freeware versions available out there too)

    See here: KVR



    This one sounds good (MusicLab Real Guitar)




    This one --- fucking awesome --- The Keyboardist is shredding it ! (MusicLab Real LPC (Les Paul Custom))




    Nice preview here -- featuring the capabilities of yet another MusicLab Guitar PlugIn -- MusicLab Real Strat

    http://youtu.be/u2xN7gLHCyk
     
  11. Rolma

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    It sounds a bit stiff, like if the strings were made from a tough material.
    Also there is a sort of reverb (I don't how to define that ) that always decays the same...there is little variation.
    But I wouldn't worry about trying to sound too natural although it's a good challenge.
     
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