Why do all master keyboards use 12-tone scales?

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  1. 23322332

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    http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/List+of+Microtonal+Software+Plugins

    Some of the most popular vsts already support microtuning.
    Daws like Ableton and Reaper can be tweaked to accept microtuning, so any vst can play microtonally. In Reaper you can make custom piano rolls (renaming and saving as a preset).
     
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    I wonder what was the military was using it for. I think Ive heard of a sound weapon that produces dissonant sub freqs that caused nausea and disorientation before. Lol A BASS Cannon
     
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    Why do people not see that it is just a badly advert picture, the keyboard is an 88 keys keyboard , they just made a bad banner
     
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    Because it's a photoshop fail of a kid trying to hype things up with a fake
     
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    I'm agree with you, but to me, at this point, that keyboard is just an excuse to read and hear about tunnings and new instruments. Thank you, guys.
     
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    i know i have some VSTs that you can change the scale , ( sorry i cant remember nor find it right now ).
    so 1 octace ends up spread out over more than 12 keys)
    i think Linplug SaxLab is one of these ...
     
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    I jokingly asked him if they used it as a torture device, by playing incredibly dissonant chords, but he had no idea.
     
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    I made a CMaj chord based on two turnings with a saw-tooth waveform. As it's observable in the image, the above one shows the Cmaj chord in perfect ratios and below one is related to the same chord in the 12 equal temperament. Also listen to the two accompanied audios. Obviously they sound different. The first one is more clean.
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    1- https://clyp.it/4exu0lav
    2- https://clyp.it/hdii0nyf

    For me, the tunings are the least important factors for making music.
     
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    I just had confirmation from Icon that its a mistake that they are aware off, they will replace the picture soon
     
  11. Please don't keep us in suspense...I'll bite...what is?

    and...you're out of the band if you refuse to tune your instrument... be it is a guitar, drumset, bass, keyboard or even if it is just a nose trumpet...Please tune up your nostrils before entering the rehearsal room.
     
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    You can use Scala to view, create and use custom/microtonal scales for a whole host of plugins and programs. It has an archive with almost every scale known to man. You can also use it to convert the .scl to .tun
    I've done it before with FM7/8, Pro52/53, Absynth, Kontakt, Reaktor, Serum, Omnisphere, TAL plugs, basically all the LinPlugs and Zebra2.
    Reaktor also has a built-in microtune macro.
    Theres also a VST effect plugin by Tobybear called microtuner that can apply this data to VSTs that don't have this function.

    *Try clicking the NI logo in Pro53.

    These might sound whack at first but the more people use these and the more we expose these kinds of tonal relationships, the faster outsiders will acclimate to the sounds and I honestly think that would be a wonderful thing.

    GTK+ for Windows
    Scala Scale Archive

    Don't unzip. In Scala use File > Import scales.zip
     
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  13. Some copy paste majik...

    Why do all master keyboards use 12-tone scales?
    Answer...

    Simply because 99.99% of all persons playing keyboards use a 12-tone scale whether composing or playing. The 1 in a 1,000 person can use a specialized keyboard as they are certainly available. If more people are interested in acquiring these microtonal instruments the market will mirror the demand.
     
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    Tuning is pretty important and some timbres can sound better using different tunings. Like clarinets and synthesized brass sounds - Bohlen-Pierce scale.
    The modern dubstep fm (usually from FM8 or Massive) and additive/ spectral sounds (from Reaktor ensembles like Razor and similar) are pretty bad for melodic and harmonic compositions in 12tet.
    The producers are using them in a rhythmical fashion, but with microtuning you can get better melodic figures (I guess that you have to use some sort of pentatonics similar to these that people from Eastern Asia use in their traditional inharmonic music).
    The only problem is that it's pain in the ass to set up, because the DAWs aren't made to function in such fashion.
     
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    I believe there was a thread here a year or two ago that discussed the way Eddy Van Halen tuned his guitar to get a perfect 5th
    (or was it 4th) and it screwed the rest of the scale up, but he did something to compensate.
     
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    Unfortunately they're still not available. Thomann told me it'll take at least 3-4 weeks. But the German site gearnews has investigated some more to find out it's actually developed by Yamaha and was just licensed to Icon. This leaked picture of an upcoming Clavinova shows the same thing:

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    Maybe Icon was just too fast to put up the images already?
     
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    IT'S NOT 1st OF APRIL YET,IS IT?
     
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    So many people with no sense of irony here?
    The person who started this topic made an obvious joke about Icon's lack of quality control (at least regarding their website), yet many following posters took it seriously and started a pointless debate. :D

    BTW: I had two Icon products in my hands (years ago) - they were sent back immediately. Seems that this company still does not care about quality (no one to supervise the website...?).
     
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    [​IMG]
    Mandela Effect.
     
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    I'm a trained classical pianist and like some already mentioned adding notes would feel odd and render the "piano concept" basically into another instrument. but I can imagine there's a market for it for very advanced players (not me) wanting to incorporate other scales with half/ quarter steps like Arabic, Gamelan etc. or even add to existing or create new scales. It would take time developping an ear for it but so did the system from Arnold Schoenberg's twelve-tone technique back in those days.
     
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