Stomp

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  1. digitaldragon

    digitaldragon Audiosexual

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    I guess I've hung around here long enough without really posting up something to share.
    This is where I'm at so far with this tune. I had problems taming the hi-mids in the guitars, but think that I've gotten them reasonable now so I figured that I would do a mix check just to see where I'm at.
    All comments are welcome, song, arrangement, lyrics, mix, etc.

    http://www.docusystems.biz/Stomp.m3u

    And thanks in advance, guys and gals for taking the time to listen!
     
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  3. martel80

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    First of all, I need to say that i really hate this type of music but I hate it because I heard too much of it when I wanted to hear something else. I respect your musical preferences tho'

    My first observation is that your bass might be 3 to 6 db (pretty sure its 6db ) to loud wich led you to bring your solo guitar up and put your vocals upfront and alone in the mix too much.
    Theres also some serious gain staging issue between different take.
    You might aswell try to keep your bass centered and your vocals wider ( pretty much exchange them in your sound stage process )

    Your drum seems well balanced

    You might want to try to apply some harder compression on your output and get the treshold a whole lot deeper.

    Hope i wasnt too harsch.
    I'm really bad at giving/ receiving criticism.

    Keep on mate !
     
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  4. Manta

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    also not my genre, but don't hate it.

    Love the stage width, also the solo guitar from out the depth to upfront is special, but overal martel80 is correct, adjust this points and your mix will jump further.

    Cheers!!
     
  5. digitaldragon

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    Thanks for the listens and comments! I'll try these changes and upload it again.
     
  6. EddieXx

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    this is pretty good
    but there is something weird in the spacing in the mix, the instruments are like "allover" the place. not horrific in any way, but its a bit uneven, lets say its not mixed by a profesional.
    the vocals and drums are a bit of beat/timing here and then slightly.

    this song could be really great though, it has all ingredients for it. really nice.
     
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  7. Hey...Thanks for sharing and being open to criticism.

    The performance of the band is very loose. Nobody is locked onto the beat and their timing is all over the map. The guitar is out of tune and is especially noticeable during the solo. And like EddieXx mentioned, it seems as if the instruments as well as the vocal are somehow not in focus. Maybe there is an overabundance of perhaps mid/side processing? It begins from the intro, something just isn't right with the space that the guitar occupies and made it difficult to enjoy listening to the whole song the five or so times I ran through it's entirety.
     
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  8. EddieXx

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    yep, agree, cool that you hear that too. definitely sounds like mid/side processing, or something.

    would be nice to hear how it was produced really.
     
  9. digitaldragon

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    I don't remember actually what was done to the 2 bus. I don't remember M/S processing on it. I'll have to look and see.
    Sounds like I'll have to get the guitars re-tracked certainly, though, since they are out of tune AND off timing with each other. That's a riff I wrote, and my bandmates tell me the timing for the riff is unusual and hard to follow. One of those "sounds easier to play than it is" riffs. I suppose I need to sit down with a drum pattern and work on getting the timing synced with that because the timing has to be absolutely correct in order to get that head bobbing thing going. Unless if at least the drum tracks are close enough to salvage without having to re-track everybody.

    Absolutely not a professional!

    Thank you for the kind words. This one always gets the audience jumping when we do it live. If I could just get what's in my head on "tape", I know it'd be a great song.

    Do you think this is primarily due to the reverb and/or usage of it? Or is it more of a tonal thing?
    It could be that I've used SoundRadix PI and the phase is moving around. It's fallen out of favor with me recently because I notice distinct fluctuations in the stereo field when using that plugin with double tracked anything. I'll have to check and see if it's still active on the guitar tracks.
     
  10. Maybe it could be Pi. It is as if my mind is desperately trying the find where the sound is coming by using triangulation but my references keep shifting around and it is nerve-racking and fatiguing both at once as my being is unaccustomed to the phenomenon. :disco: That's the best way that I can describe it.
     
  11. digitaldragon

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    I feel strongly now that you describe it as you do that it is the phase moving around. I'll turn the auto phase correction off on the guitar tracks and go from there. That won't fix the timing issues, however. But have to get it recorded in tune and in time if I'm going to get the impact I'm after.
    This is a fine example of getting another ear on something. I'm so involved in EVERY phase of this project, that I'm overlooking simple things because my mind is 10 steps ahead of what's going on at the time, eg. tracking. So when mixing down, I'm not focused on tuning because it should have been done at the tracking stage. Timing though... I've got no excuse for letting that slide through.

    Thanks again, all, for the helpful criticism's and the positive comments. You guys rock!
     
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    well, there you go, im a music programmer (among other) so im glad it has that reaction on the audience. :) maybe offer the production to a "established" producer, the song is already hit sounding, there isn't much more to get out of your brain more than fixing the obvious problems, producing it right.
     
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    @EddieXx, could you give this one a listen? @superliquidsunshine, I think you've already heard this. I think I'm farther along with it, though I know that the vocals need to be retracked due to the performances not being as strong (engaging) as they could be.
    Just curious if this one presents the same out of focus issues that Stomp has.

    http://www.docusystems.biz/Purr.m3u
     
  14. @digitaldragon .. pretty much the same, though the last I listened was intent on the performance aspect and guess my focus on that blurred my ears to the other layers present, sort of like loosing depth of field while viewing objects through a telephoto lens or a microscope.
     
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    @superliquidsunshine, yes, nothing had been updated since the last time I posted. Just was curious if it has the same stereo field/placement issues as Stomp has. I didn't get an opportunity to work with Stomp last night. I was clearing off some old tape that my dad had and he wanted a copy of what was on the tape. Stuff he recorded off of the radio. Interesting to listen to that stuff on my monitors. Mostly big band music, a few Elvis songs here and there. Interesting productions. I never listened to music the way I do now.
     
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    a 45 byte m3u file lolol
     
  17. digitaldragon

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    It seemed a better way to post it directly to my server rather than supply a direct link to the MP3 itself. Others seem to be able to listen to it. Are you having difficulty getting it to play?
     
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