KVRanting & New Vengeance synth & dongle

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  1. tulamide

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    Is it an advantage to own a license of a product that isn't cracked?

    I understand this as the main question. And my answer will concentrate on this alone. I say: It can be. But read on.

    The only way to have an advantage when using a synth is its lifetime support. If a synth gets updated, gets fresh presets, has a fanbase that shares tips and tricks, and so on. Supporting a product after release costs money. If a creator of a synth makes money, it's more likely that the synth will be kept alive.

    This leads to the real question: Do cracks prevent selling more licenses? And that I doubt. Yes, in legal terms it is clear. Courts will count the number of existing cracks and just claculate a sum from that. But, would the same synth have sold as many licenses as are used cracked? Most probably not. There are many test downloads, just checking out the synth. Others just grab them because they're there, but wouldn't buy any of them.

    But, there are also small developer groups, or even single developers. They will suffer. At first it is hard for them to even get heard on the market against the big players, and if they are noticed there will be quite a few that would have bought, but then decide to wait for a crack - since they don't know the developer yet. That might lead to no income, which not only makes it impossible to keep the product alive, but also increases the probabiltiy that no other synth from that developer will ever be released. Doom loop.

    However, unless we can clearly see the actual (not the supposed) impact of warez on a product regarding income, it is not possible to answer the initial question.
     
  2. wouala woualouf

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    About new synths,

    I wonder if access music will ever release a new hardware synth. Got my virus b, bought the virus c, and bought the virus ti, many years ago.
    It's like what, 10-12 years the virus ti was released..?
    What are they waiting for? They will release a new synth the day the 5 or 10 million musicians on this planet will all have bought a virus ti?

    Or are they afraid their new synth might have a tough time competing with a multi-synthesis vst, like tone2 stuff, a diva, a serum, or any modular synth like Reaktor, zebra, etc etc... because in 10 years, the processing power of a computer got multiplied by XX %, whether the 100 voice polyphony of the TI, in 2003, well, in 2016, it's still the same 100 voice polyphony.

    Anyone would love to get a new access synth?

    PS. I wonder how many units thomannn did sell... it must be like dozens thousands... at 2500-3000 euros each, for sure, access music won't be closing anytime soon.
     
  3. 23322332

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    They can't make anything new, because the expectations for a next-gen digital synth are too high. You are basically buying overpiced new computer with attached keyboard.
    Virus keyboards were great when there software was rare and expensive, the CPUs - slow.
    Nowadays outside of the hype factor few would buy Virus instead of Workstation, if they need it for live playing; or any decent softsynth like Zebra, Synthmaster and so on (+ preset packs for the desired genre) for studio work.
     
  4. Zenarcist

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    Nice double meaning there :wink: There are lot's of tools in the music business :rofl:
     
  5. Zenarcist

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    Haven't they switched their focus to the Kemper amp? Maybe digital synths weren't so profitable anymore with so many great soft-synths on the market?
     
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  6. ia

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    maybe I would try to mess with demo of avenger sometimes if I'll be in good mood, but only if that shit is dongle-free=)
     
  7. ArticStorm

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    dropped nexus2 long time ago. it has great sounds, but when you want to modify the sounds nexus isnt for you.
    i think the features they added are overkill, its just to much from everything and i bet i will be a cpu hog, when you use all gens.
    It does increase the possibilities to come up with more sounds, what does it need, when people dont even read the shortest manuals? (sylenth1, Massive, etc)

    i think the other issue will be the price, as they put so many features in, its just more worth as any other synth.
    maybe they plan doing a stripped down version with half of everything?

    then you have to still deal with the shitty refx support and the dongle.
     
  8. jayxflash

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    So Nexus is too easy, Avenger is too complex. But here's the nice part:
    Avenger actually is what you would use, but probably not for the price you are willing to pay.

    PS for me: Why the heck I find myself defending Vengeance/reFX since I am in no way affiliated with them? :wtf:
     
  9. 23322332

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    Avenger sounds like a cheesy name. Who comes with such names for vst synths? People that want to sell stuff to comic book kids... :rofl:
     
  10. Did someone mention "The Avengers"?
     
  11. ia

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    I don't even want this synth..
    What about you guys?
     
  12. ia

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    Stupidest name for a synth I've ever heard
    I bet this synth will sound equally
     
  13. subGENRE

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    We all know that all it will take is for the latest and greatest "DJ trend monger" to say he used it to make his "future tropical uplifting progressive" hit and it will sell like crazy. Not to mention all the endorsments and presets that they will pay well known producers to make for it. And sell as expansion packs to make even more cash.
     
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    i made for various synths soundsets, sure its great what features they have packed, but do you really think, the normal EDM guy will outmax this features, when they dont even read the short manual of sylenth1?

    also what i have learned over the years, you can get the best results, with easy tools, where you dont have to much features, but you can still build up everything from the ground (so exclude nexus here of course). take kontakt for example. you can load every audio file with it, then derp around in the file, use their timestretch, the fx, their LFOs, the env and then you can turn the source material into something never heard before, which is far from the material you started with. thats what i can simplicity. (layering seems a bit harder, as the internal kontakt GUI makes this complicated).

    i dont really see, where refx/vengeance wants to point their synths too? the average user is just overwhelmed with all these features like i wrote above and when you are into soundscapes you want for sure something without dongle, because you just want to chuck in some audio files, where ever you are (not inthe studio) to start something, because you are inspired.

    or its aimed at those people, i need it, its dongle protected and therefore rare, nobody has it, i have it and it has great features, i wont ever use it, but hmm i need it to define myself? this maybe?
     
  15. jayxflash

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    Well, having a bunch of their products, I know this: Manuel thinks of many scenarios when a certain thing would need to be done and offers a shortcut: for example want 2 arps so you can delay onset of a sound with the first arp then actually output an arpeggiated sound with another? This is a small part of 99% of my buildups - so I can easily "borrow" such a stack from one project to another and just change the timbres.

    He's not necessarily offers tools that can make other synth/fx can't - he just make tools that will make current dance music tasks more easy to do. (think their VPS multiband sidechain or Phalanx)

    Granted, this particular synth can do much more, but in the same time can do so much less (as the initial screen is simple). For the average (and experienced) user this synth can be the only synth in a project, given the filter selection.

    By the way, do you know that a couple (maybe less) years ago reFX celebrated the sale of the 20,000 copy of Nexus? Can't remember any other synth/rompler sold in so large numbers. I don't think a dongle protection makes a unpopular choice.

    Also, what I don't get: everybody's wet when talking about Alchemy. Many want to have UVI's Falcon or Omnisphere. Literally no one said ever something bad about them. When it comes to Vengeance I see laughs at the name, people complaining because of too many options (!!!). How we got here? :woot:
     
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  16. jayxflash

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    Demo sounds of the upcoming Vengeance Avenger synth

     
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  17. He called it the Wengance Awenger.
     
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  18. Impressive

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    I'm not impressed by the sounds at all. :no: Also this guy's accent drives me over the wall. :lmao:
     
  19. tulamide

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    Obviously a German. Being a German myself I heard this kind of accent too many times. Be assured, not all of us sound like that. But on the other hand, if he'd done the demo in his mother's tongue, you would have complained as well^^
     
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    resale value of cracked or uncracked vst matter? if you are selling vst you bought this means you wish you never bought it?

    i like to try before buy and listen and watch, when i think to buy something i never think of resale

    cracked or uncracked i think if you are resalling it mean the product was not good
     
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