read error rate, im gonna punch Seagate in the face

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  1. not sure

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    So, I recently bought a Seagate 1TB hard drive and after running a S.M.A.R.T. scan with HDD Regenerator, it already has a read error rate of 60,952 and it's only been online for roughly 4,000 hours.
    I want my money back!
    Motherfuckers!
    Grrrrrrrrrrr.
    Any suggestions on a better HDD?
     
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  3. thantrax

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    These are externals, I'm talking internal. The HDD is question is a Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 (internal) 1TB. Thanks for the post though, it's a good read.
     
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    I also have one of those but it's very new (233 hours online), so I don't know how reliable it is. How long have you had yours?
     
  7. fraifikmushi

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    I had two seagate hdds that corrupted files which haven't been accessed for longer periods.
    Never ever again.
     
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    I have a 1TB (Western Digital Caviar Black HDD 1TB, SATA II) bounght on April 19, 2013.
     
  9. not sure

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    Another thing right quick
    are these errors repairable?
     

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    what do you use now?
     
  11. Impressive

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    I have a 1tb WD hard drive. I've had it for well over 3 years, been using it frequently ever since. Honestly, I haven't had any issues with it at all. I highly recommend Western Digital. I actually bought mine a few months before thantrax bought his. In fact, I have the same one, coincidentally. I bought it on January 22nd, 2013.
     
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    I don't think. Reading the 2nd row is clear: "BACKUP RECOMMENDED".
     
  13. Always Grateful

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    Blu ray rw your data and buy silicon power armour drives, Seagate and WD drives are like bad nightmares. They haunt you with the data you had!
     
  14. Von_Steyr

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    Always had problems with Seagate,switched to WD years ago,so much better.
     
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    Recent couple of years I had better experience with Toshiba drives. Seagate and WD both kinda suck currently, with WD sucking a bit less. :winker: Seagate managed to ruin their reputation even further with these DM00* drives. :sad: Anyway, Toshiba and HGST drives are "in" now until they fuck up, too. :headbang:
     
  16. Herr Durr

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    I have WD drives many years old.. also.. only had one of 3TB fail.. but it was the encryption hardware part,
    the drive still spins up and appears as a drive..but not accessible.

    I'm waiting to try some solutions to get my data back..but for now I would not buy the hardware encrypted drives again,
    and have heard, it's best not to buy a drive over 2 TB, though I'm not sure why on that.


    @not sure suggestion? anything but Seagate,

    WB or Toshiba ,unless you want to invest some extra for a Glyph to keep your samples on

    I had a Seagate, only external that has truly failed on me. before I upgraded to a new WD
     
  17. muciones

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    5 Seagates here, no problems.
     
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  18. not sure

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    At least they (Seagate) are gonna handle it
    The fuck they mean "long test"? Any ideas? It's clearly not a native English speaker.

    Are they expecting me to send the drive back to them? If so, where the hell am I going to stick these libraries at in the mean time? lol

    I gotta give it to them though, they replied within 3 hours of my inquiry... on a Sunday.
     
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  19. jayxflash

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    I have 6 WD Blacks x 1TB purchased in 2009. Still working. From my experience (and other's) if a drive works over a year with no issues, it will last very long. Most of the failures happen in the first year. Point: keep some data on the young drive, then after a year use it for whatever delicate tasks you want.
     
  20. Rasputin

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    There are two forms of official Seagate (and just about every other vendor) testing--the short test, and the long test.

    You must use their official SeaTools utility to scan the drive. The short test gives you a quick overview of whether or not there may or may not be errors on the drive. If the short test indicates an error or potential error, then you run the long test. This gives you a comprehensive report of what the errors actually are and how many times the error has occurred.

    The JPEG you posted is quite similar, but Seagate doesn't care about third party utilities, you have to use their proprietary diagnostics tool, just for the sake of warranty fulfillment.

    Edit: Also keep in mind that Current Pending / Uncorrectable Sector Count is still 0. As the platter seems to be fine, there's the possibility the SATA cable you're using is bad, or has a loose connection with the drive or the motherboard. You should absolutely swap the cable and/or reseat it on both ends.

    Attribute 1 (Read Error Rate) is used in slightly different ways from vendor to vendor and also tends to "wrap around" once it exceeds a certain value, so it's not necessarily meaningful that it's somewhat high.

    Plus those values are generally not in decimal numbers and/or are added together for similar but different readings, so what deceptively looks like a high number can actually be insignificant in practice.

    Oh yeah, one more thing... those errors aren't correctable in the way that you're thinking. They aren't a "bad" part of your disk, per se. That count is a record of one-time events that have already happened, so you'd have to have a time-machine to erase them. And they've also already been corrected automatically.
     
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  21. Rasputin

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    Drives over 2 TB use a different kind of addressing. Usually this is done by changing the LBA size, and it adds an extra layer of complication.

    The "correct" way to use an over 2TB drive is GPT instead of MBR, but that's not as well supported in Windows/legacy land.

    As far as the encryption, are you sure it's encrypted (in a proper sense, not just inaccessible/nonsensical data)? Because a 3 TB external will/can exhibit those same behaviors on a standard disk when the enclosure fails. Again, it's due to the addressing issue.

    If it's truly an encrypted drive (automatic on-the-fly hardware encryption, etc.) then you may still be in luck because some WD drives store the encryption keys directly on disk.

    Either of those scenarios can likely be fixed by repair or replacement of the bridge board.

    Also, slightly older WD encrypted drives can be brute-forced without too much effort, if you have the proper hookups.
     
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