Yes, 98% of the time I use Edison to record an audio track and I really enjoy it's wonderfulness, though would also super appreciate a freeze for the few things I whip up on midi tracks, such as that sometime drum track, or, especially, say, when I am experimenting using some instrument or sound that I just cooked up in Omnisphere, and because of the novelty of what I am hearing at that special moment, and with that initial spark of creativity, play something enormously interesting without tape running, and so dump the midi to a pattern channel to tweak little mistakes or make adjustments. This is the time and place that that freeze would be so very much appreciated. ATM I must go through all the boring steps to commit it to posterity. It can be a real suck on my flow and contributes to challenging my mellow, Yo.

 

How dare FL studio make me actually work? The nerve of them. They obviously didn't get the memo, that when I think it in my head the neurons should be shooting out of my frontal lobes and the program should automate my ideas based off of my thoughts. Telepathy beatmaking. No way should I have to push any buttons or click a mouse, let alone manually comp vocals. I'm pissed, I'm about to write the guys at imageline and give them a piece of my mind.

 

Dammit, I wholeheartedly agree with you. We could draft a letter that we can distribute world wide by way of social media, gathering millions of signatures of like minded individuals such as ourselves who want and need automation based not only on our thoughts, let us not stop there, but also based on our emotions and endocrine system rhythms . They must have the technolgy. Why do they keep it from us? We would no longer need to waste time actually playing instruments and making decisions, why should we when we actually are already self contained as each of us is tuned to our own unique chromosomal vibration. WE ARE ALREADY OUR OWN INSTRUMENTS AND COMPLETE CATALOGUE OF SONGS!!! This is fucking amazing. Let's get started right away and not waste another minute. Come on, let's do it. They will bend to our conglomerate will, and if not we can always refuse to buy their DAW and download pirated copies until they see the error of their ways. All those lost sales will make them see the light. Damn you white gloved hand, take your finger out of my ear!!!

 

I'm more creative in Playlist than Edison. All of the DAWs provide the editing facility in the track itself but for any editing we must open an Edison that wastes time and does not allow to be more productive esp when we'd deal with more samples that are going to be mixed.

Also zooming level is another issue for Playlist eg when we want to cut or align the samples.

 

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Hey Foster, do you know how to align the grid so that it falls on a beat in Edison. I haven't a clue. Another IL booboo.

 

Lol. Dude.

I pretty much gushed praise for FL. All I said was that it's an inferior tool for vocal recording/editing. Unless it has a take comping function that I'm not aware of, that's a true statement.

What kind of prissy little pansy gets all triggered when someone says their favorite DAW isn't good at one particular function? Shouldn't you be at a male feminist rally somewhere?

I've always believed that people who identify so strongly with their DAW that they get personally offended by criticism act that way because they feel inferior as artists. There is literally no reason to be so attached to your DAW unless you think it somehow reflects on you as a musician.

 

For working with markers and alignment and resizing and pitch-shifting the regions watch NewTone's tutorials. It's perfect for that.

 

Watch this one. It shows the pitch-correction and time-stretching capabilities of NewTone. Time-stretching starts at 16:38. You can combine it with Edison or Slicex for better having control on the markers and alignments:

BTW, you can also use old but excellent Zero-X BeatQuantizer for those purposes.

 

it is not so much if you can do it in FL Studio also because you can do about anything in FL

To me it is about work flow in Ableton to that of FL

I like the layout and work flow in Live better

Someone like SeamlessR likes the work flow in FL

So it is up to the person what's works best for them

 

For having used FL Studio, Studio One and Ableton extensively, i can say several things about workflow.
Ableton and S1 are more on the "drag'n drop" side.
FL is more on the older "several clicks" and "keyboard shortcuts". Like Protools and such, you can be as fast (even faster) than Ableton...but you will need several years of practice.

Piano roll : FL > S1 > AL
Arrangement view : FL > S1 > AL
Workflow speed (for beginners) : AL > S1 > FL
Mixing : S1 > AL > FL

Live gig use ? AL all the way ! And by a LARGE margin. So to me, apart Sensomusic Usine for more "abstract" music, Ableton is still the king in this domain.
S1 more for big orchestral projects, bands recording and general mixing.
FL for more electronic composition/arrangement. But mixing/routing really sucks (speed and visually wise).

There is no perfect DAW. And it is not going to happen.
They are still "specialty" DAWs. They have they own "spirit".

As single reason to switch (even if you can use both), i would say : live gig use, with M4L.
Or Sensomusic Usine ;)

 

That's the spirit. The human brain, our nervous system and the chemicals that trigger our emotional response, should be taken into consideration with future DAWS. If R2R could keygen or patch software that's biologically engineered, they'd be true G.O.A.T.S. To bad I'm not a genetic engineer/physicist. Otherwise I'd design then patent the idea, become a gazillionaire, buy out Microsoft, fire Bill Gates, get rid of all the pesky window 10 widgets in the taskbar, build a time machine, assassinate the guy who implemented windows 8 (because my computer is not an android phone and doesn't need apps,) and keep windows 7 because windows 7 is the shyt.

 

I definitely prefer FL to Live, always have. I started with FL and will always feel most comfortable with it, I guess you can say that I'm a power user. I've never really liked Live even though I know the insides and outs fairly well now. Mostly because it isn't exactly as straightforward, linear and feels incredibly mechanical. Don't switch because for some reason your producer friends think it's "a toy". One of my favorite producers Spor (aka Feed Me)has been working primarily in Fl Studio on for ages and I doubt anyone could argue his compositions are anything short of insanely complex.

That being said there are some drawbacks to using FL Studio. You can't really use Midi outs for most of it's native capabilities which Ableton does have. There's also a lot more control with FX chaining and its a lot easier to set up. Also I've got to say one of the biggest reason to switch to Ableton is the Push controller and how well it syncs up with live and since the Push 2 is out, a used Mk1 can be had now for between 200-300 USD. It really is a phenomenal piece of gear and one of the only controllers that I can think of that is meant to directly interface with a DAW. That being said Ableton's rewire is limited in comparison, you will miss the Piano Roll and tbh Ableton definitely isn't as straightforward (honestly nothing comes close to being as easy to figure out as FL Studio) but if you are willing to put in the time to learn it and can avoid getting frustrated at having to work a completely different way, it might be the DAW for you. Best of luck =)

 

While I use other DAWs I am impressed with the amount of control FL seems to be giving over the more esoteric control/modulation options.
-1 for the MIDI out thing. Didn't know that and that does kinda kill the whole deal for me.

 

That being said why stop at Live? Why not try out as many different DAWs as you can to see which one fits your needs best?

 

I'm banging one of the coder chicks...

 

Yeah @Pinkman MIDI routing capabilities with the MIDI outs are limited to 3rd party stuff. It's really kind of a bummer but there's ways around it I'm sure but the MIDI cc stuff works differently then most DAWs do. It can be really hard to figure out.

 

From what I've seen though, using functions can actually be a very powerful tool.

 

Yes. It is.

I always need more faders.

 

Youtube is full mostly of FL tutorals.
1. Ableton is neat. Interface is very simple and to the point. Somebody said here on Audioz, it is a musician's DAW.
2. All tools for EDM producion are there.
3. Warp engine is great.
4. Drum rack, sampler, simpler etc are unique and very powerful features of Ableton.

 

If i have one reason for switching from FL to Live, would be new vector ui.