So... if UKers will leave €pe, will the Pound lose its value? If it is so... how Game of Throne will continue without EU community money (no joke)?

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Damn, they already had to sell all the other thrones?

As I see it, I'm not pro Brexit...
Imagine eating oddly shaped bananas
Imagine the global hearing loss, if it weren't for EU volume limit
Imagine the felony of calling butter "butter" and rum "rum"
Imagine saying no to immigrants...

GB should stay. For everything else there's MasterCard

 

...of course... there will be only one


(while others die)

 

If GB stays it will continue to be overflown with immigrants and within our life time brits white men/women will be in minority. Besides, EU is tyranny considering there is no democratic election and de-election process.

 

If GB leaves, The Dutch Government will follow after the next presidential election.

If GB stays, me and my family will be migrating to Austria or Canadies in about 10 years
not that funny actually, pretty darn serious for some of us


I don't care for immigrants, (well I do care about them, but not in that sence)
For all I care they first get about 1-2 years to migrate to Europe before it blows so they can reap the same benefit from rebuilding these states back to democratic states.

cause Europe is ANTI-Democratic. The People in charge ar not elected, and cannot be held responsible, e.g. can't be dealt with trough the democratic systems

 

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Forums done really well to not get dragged in to the quagmire until voting day. Shame couldn't have seen it through for another 24 hours.

Personally think the arguments for leaving are pretty laughable. Quality around overall debate has been atrociously depressing. How can you have democracy when no one chooses to properly inform themselves? Obviously this happens the across the world.

Are you bothered about color of skin ? Because Leave are suggesting we get more from old commonwealth. We are more likely to have white immigration if we stay in EU.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_population_of_the_United_Kingdom

Since 1945 we have only had 3 million EU immigrants which is around 5% of total population. Doesn't seem that bad to me in comparison to other migrants that have come here to work. They say that we are being unfair on the rest of the world and old commonwealth countries. But look at immigration from when we had the commonwealth. Didn't exactly go down really well did it. Considering the poster that UKIP brought out last week which was of a horde of refugees coming into EU I find it bizzare that leave campaign are using the commonwealth as some kind of saintly ground where the migrants are already like us. Which is absolute baloney if you consider India, Pakistan and Bangladesh to be commonwealth.

On the one had it's 'Be afraid of these Muslim refugees that we are saving from war'. The other is 'Don't be afraid of the commonwealth countries where girls are still burnt at the stake for being raped and Men have their arms chopped off for leaving their employer...'

Jingoistic at best, racist at worst.

Kwissbeats. Are you trying to be ironic ? Or are you seriously suggesting that your hatred of immigrants is so great that you yourself have to become one ?

Bottom line (No pun intended but wait for it) 50% of the welfare state goes into paying pensions. This is only going to increase as people live for longer and UK demographics. How can we continue to be a productive country that encourages people to dream and to innovate if the youth of this country has a fate of choosing whether or not to have offspring or look after their aging parents ? Why try and get educated if your going into care ? You do realize that the Torie Govt are going to stop paying for NHS nurses to study ? Which will mean their will be less UK born Nurses ?

It's a very complicated subject but if we have no immigration then we are having to decide to watch the elderly fall into destitution or we have to provide/pay for their care.

SO who would you like wipe your (or your parents) arsehole ?

 

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pity the british won't go. as the votes will be tight, someone will tamper the results in favour of the eu
if british would go, i guess most of us (europeans) would follow for good, and that in mi opinion would be great. sadly, it won't happen
the whole situation looks like roasting a turd at 1/64,000th of the normal fire you'd use for that purpose

 

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I don't care for immigrants, (well I do care about them, but not in that sence)
For all I care they first get about 1-2 years to migrate to Europe before it blows so they can reap the same benefit from rebuilding these states back to democratic states.

cause Europe is ANTI-Democratic. The People in charge ar not elected, and cannot be held responsible, e.g. can't be dealt with trough the democratic systems

that's clearly a sophism, you have been brainwashed.

So Britain needs to stay in or their arseholes isn't going to be wiped?
or needs to accept migrants to get their arses wiped?

one thing is for sure, ECB isn't to be trusted with our pension wallets and you know it,
if any will benefit it isn't the country's who got their act together a long time ago.

And where do u see the EU over 10 years? you think it will get democratic?
Don't you think changes would get narrower to get out if GB will not do it time?

 

C'mon mates! It was only humor. Lets Brits chose what is good for them and, for a day, we could make jokes about the Crown (from tomorrow they will continue spitting judgment about the rest of the world as usual even if they are not comidians... and nobody's laughing ).

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The voting is expected to be rigged. That's why bets are 80/20 pro EU and surveys are 50/50.

Or the London City boys have invented a new free lunch product, which will never fail- containing futures/puts and bet money.

 

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excellent, that's democracy for you (and for me)

 

Fuck the EU. Long live democracy and governmental accountability!

 

Its quality not quantity that matters.Migration has always been a part of GB,its a natural process,but what is recently happening is not migration,its a well funded and organized colonization,most are uneducated,wont work and are just using the social welfare money.
You can copy-paste this process to all wealthy European countries.
Quite ironic that the wealthiest EU countries and their liberal laws and help towards the weak and poor have basically made them targets for people to abuse this same system.
Australia handled this very well and Europe will have to do it as well.

 

Who has time to take surveys ? Do you take surveys ? My point being that surveys aren't always set up to show an accurate representation of peoples opinion. That's why Adverts always say 8/10 people agree with this statement. While hiding number of people being survey.

Yet ironically migrant children in the UK seem to perform better in education that UK born citizens. Maybe that's because the teachers favor the immigrant. Or maybe the non-immigrants have a sense of entitlement. Consequently may not try as hard. Immigrants are less likely to claim welfare than Brits. Although this might have something to do with 50% of the welfare budget being used for pensions.

Quality is irrelevant if the Jobs not being done are low skilled. UK actually refuses to pay to fund it's own population in the case of medicine and health. That's why they go to snipe em from less well off places like Phillipines. To bring down wages in health sector and to avoid investing in own population. The amount immigrants get blamed for stuff is really bad.

Australia is a country full of immigrants who completely fuct all of the native people (And still do). They have prison islands with 10,000s migrants who are held arbitrarily for any amount of time. Seriously disgusting way to treat human beings. Australia system only helps the people smugglers. They even pay Cambodia off to take migrants. Absolutely disgusting. Especially considering it's fucking huge and could actually fit all 7 billion of us and have room to spare. Racist. Just look at how they treat indigenous sports people.

The one to two million Syrian refugees will probably actually help countries like Germany where they have death rates higher than birth rates. They make up 0.5% of total EU population. Not some kind of colonisation.

How is it a Sophism. UK population (And a trend around western world) is top heavy. By that I mean Aging. Over the course of next 10 - 20 years it's only going to get bigger. It's already over 1 in 10 of population. Maybe 3 in 10 ? How can countries GDP continue to be worth so much if it has less people at work. And presumably less people in skilled work. Care work doesn't make all that much money... To be fair why should it make any money ?

It isn't trusted with our pension wallet. Although it probably will be if we choose to Leave as all of the investments made in the name of your pension are more likely to move to EU... To be honest pensions are never a sound/wise/fair investment. Different topic altogether...

Regarding democracy. We are free to disagree and argue about our leaders without the threat of our family being strung up on meathooks...

Seriously though, politicians don't get held to account. It's not what it's about and if you think that it is then you very naive. People have said, 'We need more sovereignty'.

Where were the ones saying this when Margret Thatcher sold off all British Nationally owned infrastructure (Ironically, I sense a theme. To the big EU countries) From Waterboard, Energy/Power, Housing, Trains, buses, Bin collection... British Identity.
Sovereignty isn't just in law making and political gesturing. How can politics fix anything if you no longer have control over the basic essentials that we need.

Take Energy. 40% already comes from EU and is increasing every year. We need EDF (French 80% tax payer owned) to pay for our new nuclear power plants. Why ? Because we sold everything we owned off for very little and without considering the consequences. Ironically it's Thatchers old boys who are the ones wanting us to vote out. So we can embrace free market capitalism and source sugar at the detriment to someone else environment.

This brings me to the end of my rant. As you may have guessed, I have been bottling this up for a while.

Firstly we'd do well to remember the age in which we live. At the frontier of humanities ingenious. Where we live increasingly digital lives (where borders tend to be ignored, unless your in China). 100 years ago EU sent 18 year old men to fight in the mud (Thank god we had democracy... Holding people to account and all that). Giving rise to the beginning of the emancipation of women from mens clutches. 70 years ago we did it again !

Secondly we need to keep one eye on the future. People keep saying across the western word, "Who's looking out for the working man ?". Like it or not the answer is robotics and computing. What once took thousands of people and was relatively inefficient now takes very few and is massively efficient. Trouble is what do we all do ?

Personally I'd suggest education as route to self-worth. The question itself is philosophically challenging...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...a-national-wage-of-1700-a-month-a6843666.html

The EU needs to re-embrace in order to lose it's old-man persona. Invest heavily in green energy. Most importantly it should not forget how life looks elsewhere in the world. China, India, Pakistan ect.

 

If anybody cares. This is what will happen. If the UK is allowed to be 'democratic' it follows that there are many people within, not just the UK but around the world that will also see this as a way forward. The French are an important pivot here. The Spanish also will rise. Portugal will follow. All this depends on balls.

 

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The EU cannot be reformed. It's pretty simple here. People are people and politicos are self interested. People rule. Absolutely. Peace.

 

I hate to say it but the European project was a CIA project. It was a way to administrate Europe a little easier for our American 'friends'.