Hello everyone and thanks for taking the time to read my topic

First of all, excuse my english, i gave up with it but i'll never give up to learn music and mixage. i have no academic formation of sound but im doin' that since a long time.

Well, it's about overtoning, in the theory overtones/harmonics of 40hz are 80, 120, 160, 200 hz ...etc but how to make this tones quickly and effictively, you gonna understand with this images:

This is a spectrum of samples that sounds very professional and clean



You can see clearly the overtones

another example ?

Cymbal Hi hat




My question is; HOW to make them stand out ?
we can not do it with Pro Q (for exemple) by performing frequency by frequency it's take a lot and a lot and lot of time especially at high frequency, so what's the technical to do that ?

Thanks in advance

 

what you are looking for is saturation, of which many plugins exist and are native to most daws.

 

Saturation or exciting/exciters.

 

Flstudioer, I might be wrong, but I think you’re looking for harmonic enhancers or harmonic generators. Just a hunch?

 

FabFilter 201: Pro Series Plugins - 3. Pro-Q 2 Controls I

 

Have you tried playing with Sound Radix SurferEQ? It has settings that let you accentuate certain harmonics (whole integer overtones) and it tracks with note changes:

http://www.soundradix.com/products/surfer-eq/

 

I thought about it , I even tried but it doesn't give the same result, can you be more explicit ? maybe i'm using it wrongly ?

it could be that, yes !

i know them, but like i said, we can't perform it freq by freq ^^

i've tried SurferEQ, he's good, but not very accurate, but still a good soft

Thank y'all for your answers, appreciat it

 

Well, you can try EQing up the highs & highpass, if that doesn't work, try an exciter THEN EQ. DIfferent exciters sound different & have different controls.

I've had bad experiences with surferEQ - it's a CPU hog. mainly, and for percussion, those are unpitched notes so good luck if you want it to track tones. If you're feeling adventurous, You could try DtBlkFx and try increasing the contrast (NB Delay).

 

Cymbals (hi-hats, crashes, splashes, rides, chinas, etc) all have natural overtones. You really don't need to "re-create" them.

If you still need to creating overtones, go for exciter/saturation/distortion.

Otherwise simple EQ to boost what's already there (or usually, cut what is not needed).

 

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Voxengo HarmoniEQ

http://www.voxengo.com/product/harmonieq/

 

Waves Cobalt Saphira and Fielding dsp Reviver can add harmonics in a somewhat precise way.

 

Well, it's all about EQing, maybe i should learn more about how it works and how to clean a sound
Thanks you guyz for the contribution, appeciate it

If you know some good and rich toturials, they would be welcome

i'm alredy downloading Waves to test Saphira, Fielding DSP Reviver, Voxengo Harmonics to test them, i downloaded 112DB Redline and EMI brillance too for testing, thanks guyz

 

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Try Fielding DSP - Reviver. It allows you to blend even and odd harmonics to taste. I find mixing the odd harmonics tends to give more clarity, which is what you seem to be looking for, while even give more punch/warmth/hair

Lol, someone beat me to it, sorry :P Mind you, Waves Saphira is probably a better option, as it gives you much more control than Reviver. I can also recommend Waves Aphex Vintage Exciter and Klanghelm SDRR.

 

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Also, once you have added the desired harmonics and EQd it the way you like, you can further sculpt the sound by applying frequency-selective compression (multiband, like Fabfilter Pro-MB). This way you can accentuate the harmonics of the intrument you are trying to "excite" as it decays.

Alternatively, you can use a Dynamic EQ instead of a static one. I can highly recommend Ozone 7's Dynamic EQ and HOFA IQ EQ for this purpose. Try compressing & expanding certain parts of the spectrum to achieve a clean sound. This is the advantage over static EQ: you can control the envelope of the added harmonics and achieve a more realistic sound - one that isn't overly harsh, bright, tinny, etc... but still retains a powerful attack.

 

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Melodyne 4. (However, you must get in the correct perspective.. the examples you posted represent the dynamic shape, and in no way do they classify the sound or quality of.) In other words, shaping any sound to fit that dynamic description is not what determines whether a sample sounds clean or professional as you seem to think it does.

 

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Thanks Ipu2n, very interesting and usefull what you said i'll applie it.


dbMuzik you right, i just realize that i was wrong with this idea

 

DSP - Reviver makes clean overtones, but makes the wave forms look funny.
dunno why and if it's a problem I usually let it be but could also fix this with phase rotation (alloy and such)

do u guys have any thoughts on that?

 

the most effective way, tell me crazy.. is to layer some harmonics with an additve synthesizer... you must found the fundamental note with the most close harmonic content and fill the harmonics you want to emphasize in your sound, like bells,cymbals,keys and timbres with not much drift tuning. Crystal clean results.. In some cases you must fine tune your harmonics.. Eqs and saturators make harsh sounding hi end. Also with an Additive synth you can randomize the panning of the harmonics for more wide image in your mix.. If you have no patience to make the above technique use unfilter by Zynaptiq. It fixes the hi end in a very promising way..

cheers

 

interesting technical

 

That's an interesting idea. Could you recommend some additive synth VSTs that are easy to do this with?