I dont have the option of speedstep in my bios so I have use throttlestop app and pull down the multiplier. This stabilized my system and I can run that amount of plugs

 

O.k. apologies, I'm talking absolute bollocks. The most I can manage on my rig without glitch is 12 instances of ABR Plate

 

that's your problem...

 

That really could be his problem indeed. The CPU is possibly overheating so it has to throttle down. Newer Intel CPUs are not that good overclockers as they might lead you to think. I always leave them at the default settings for that reason. What are your CPU temperatures insaner? A bit on the high side I guess? It should not go over 60 Celsius or so at FULL load [50 for AMD processors], running some CPU burner program. I still use old Everest stability test for checking the stability and run it for 3-4 hours at least before giving the PC to the client.

I find your results for Soundtoy's CPU usage still a bit high, but that might be Ableton's fault.

p.s. yes, AMD processors generally run a bit cooler than Intel's.

 

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My temps are (vCore is not fixed):

-Idle = around 20-26 (have c3 c6 c7 power saving functions enabled, but c1a if i am correct is disabled) No CPU hit difference (Soundtoys)
-Load (exporting) = around 52-64
-Full load (all cores 100%) = To high..

There is a problem with these i7 4790k which can result in temperatures over the 100 degrees celsius. (source: https://communities.intel.com/docs/DOC-23517)
You have to change these settings in the bios:

Turbo Boost Power Max: 84.000W
Turbo Boost Short Power Max: 106.000W
Processor Current Limit: 105.000W

But then the CPU is not effective anymore, because the CPU hit get maybe around 10% higher in your DAW.
And because my CPU never come close to 100% (only for benchmarking) i have maxed my wattage consumption settings in BIOS.

You can also use Intel XTU (Windows only) https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/24075/Intel-Extreme-Tuning-Utility-Intel-XTU-

 

Agree, that's why stock cooler is shit, The O.P. need to reload default setting and invest money on a good (maybe liquid) cooler to able to get the best from this CPU.

 

Liquid is definitely recommended for good temps, otherwise you are stucked to vantec tornado fan's lol (i have 3 of them) 55 dBA each hehehe.

I have an aftermarket cooler, which is not able to cool it down enough under full load, like i said i would need much more airflow on the cooler and more out of the case.

I had liquid cooling a few years ago which i sold, can not afford it right now...

 

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I always use either top of the line Scythe or Noctua coolers with my builds, and throw away the stock ones into the bin. Off they go... Just joking, I actually keep them and give away to charity - people who just need a computer that works.

The problem with liquid cooling is that it can be louder than the quality air cooler, usually due to a loud pump, and it needs more maintenance. That's why I'm not a proponent of liquid cooling for audio PCs. We just need a machine that works quietly for years, with as less maintenance possible.

 

Nice thing to do something useful with stuff that you can not use, if the charity would get 10000 stock coolers x 250gr = they have maybe 2500kg aluminum.^^ $$$$

About pumps, i think you can buy some quiet pump's, i had one but after a while it got somehow broken. $$$
For me it is also a big no actually you have to maintain it quite often to keep the tubing etc fresh. Hassle....
But if my CPU would clock very good with high voltage i would consider it again.

At the moment i use a Scythe Mugen 4, but i am not satisfied and i wish i could put my old Thermalright XP-90c back. (700gr 100% copper)
Today stuff sucks, i7 get really hot also not a good clocker, coolers are damaging PCB (like the one i have)
Or maybe i am just a complainish negativitish person??? lol

Ty for the chat/help guys!

 

Mugen 4 is actually very good. Mugen or Ninja. You don't need anything better. Maybe work some on better airflow within the case. it's just as important.

You're right, new coolers are not that good and it's getting harder to find really good ones. Noctua still makes great coolers, but they are too expensive and I rarely use them. I usually go with the best Scythe cooler I can get my hands on at the moment.

Thermalright XP-90c! <-- yes that one was bloody good! And also expensive. I was a proud owner of one, too, and used them for some of my high end builds at the time. Ten or so years ago I think? Good memories. XP ruled, I wasn't yet into Linux, 32 bit was king... hmmm maybe it wasn't that good afterall.

 

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Hmmm oke, i consider my airflow quite ok. Because it pulls also a lot of air out .
2x fans front (in), 2x on top (out), 2backside (out) 1x side panel (in)

Yeah its quite long time ago, used it on my AMD 3000+ back then ....that is maybe 12 years ago now. Time flies when you have fun.
Good to hear a little about your background.^^

Have a nice day SineWave.

 

This video could be really helpful to you, someone postet it yesterday on another thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUsLLEkswzE

 

Insaner, you've got so many fans in your case and the temperatures can still reach that high?! That's weird, mate. I've got just one 120mm fan on the Scythe Ninja 3 cooler, sandwiched between the Ninja and the passive Zalman VGA cooler, running at 500-800RPM, and a similar Scythe Slipstream 120mm fan running at 500-800RPM in the upper back of the case. There is a 140mm fan in the PSU, but the PSU and motherboard compartments are separated in this Antec P180 case, so its influence is negligible. I have no intake fans. This case is closed rather tight and the fresh air can only get in through the vents in the front. My CPU temperatures never exceed around 50c, even when I overclock my Phenom II to 4GHz.

Maybe you live in a hot area? Also, setting up lots of fans like that to do the job properly is quite tricky. Fine-tuning [RPM] one in the back and one in the front for the best airflow should be enough for any kind of setup if your chassis is good quality and tightly closed. It might be that the airflow in your case is very erratic and there are pockets of heat accumulating somewhere around the CPU. It might also be that your VGA puts out loads off heat. I have a humble 50W Nvidia GT240 that never exceeds ~40 something Celsius, and currently idling at ~28c, with my setup. ;)

Cheers!

addendum: It might be the paste, too. I remember changing the Arctic Silver 5 for regular Scythe paste made a huge difference in my setup temperatures, too. Arctic Silver 5 is not that good at all! I'm never gonna use it again. Arctic MX2/MX4 paste is still the best, and this one you get with the Scythe coolers is great, too!

 

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At first I was wondering this too and it was making no sense to me. I'm guessing like me, you loaded up multiple instances of Waves Abbey Road Plate on 1 track. Instead, have 10 tracks and load ONE instance of abbey road plate onto each. Report back and tell me how your CPU is. I tried it in Reaper and Live 9.6 and could get to about 28-29 before my audio started to cut out and cpu hit 100. I'm working with i7-4790k @ 4.4 GHz for reference.

 

@SineWave

I am not living in a hot area, and yes i used Artic Silver 5
Thanks for the advice next time/maintenance i will use/test some other paste
Oh and by the way i have no VGA at all just using the onboard. ^^

@homietheclown.

Thanks will report back asap!

 

How did you make out?

 

ASIO4ALL is only option if you do not have sound card available.

 

No problem using SoundToys here. Very low cpu usage.
Win10 x64 - ASIO4All Ableton/Reaper - Core i5 2.4GHz