Why aren't Waves plugins getting outdated and still used?!

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  1. statik

    statik Audiosexual

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    the knife and other cutting tools will be outdated as soon as lasercutters will be affordable for the general public
     
  2. curtified

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    Its kinda dope that they have been holding the game down for so long and not getting replaced. Its sad because Im always looking for the next best thing. Maybe I should go back to the basics.

    I wish Waves would add some up sampling algos to the updates of old plugs. They might have and I missed the memo??
     
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    :dunno: Why are so much people hoarding Plug-Ins ??? :dunno:
    I can understand folks who hoard for cracking purposes, but why "normal" people?
    Anyway there are enough out there for different tastes.
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    I totally agree with you, but that just tells about that person. No reason for fighting more and more...
    Thread than loses meaning
     
  5. merko

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    Yeah, why haven't pianos been updated and violins, ITS AN OUTRAGE!!
     
  6. rosko

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    Thats a silly comparison.
     
  7. Wuji

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    Some people I know seem to think that more is more and download everything they can get their hands on. It doesn't matter if you ever use it, you can brag about how much shit you have, even if you didn't pay for it.

    But to be honest, I get much of the stuff I think I could use and end up testing it one time and then go back to what I used before until there is a really game changing Plugin that really can replace the old one.
     
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    I still use them.Not all of the plugs, but the basic ones that has been here for years , like the C and the SSL collections and the LoAir (i like all the surround supporting plugs) , i use em everyday and i can rely on them.It's like most of you said.Opening older projects is a pain in the axx if you can't do it easily.My must have one is the dorrough meter cause of it's huge interface.I also like some of the newer additions but in butch vigs plug-in i think the interface i soooo crappy.I prefer the old simple and mostly low power UIs.Also i find it a great thing that you can use the same plugs that you use in a studio, out in the fields.Think of a plugin that you know it's usage and possibilities like the back of your hand,used it for years, now being able to plug it in a midas or a soundcraft etc.That is a big deal.In the studio i use other plugins too.But each one has it's own usage.Waves is a screwdriver.80% of the time, it does your job.When you need to reach a pentagon screw or a deep buried screw,u will use specific tools.Most of the time though you'll need the simple screwdriver, and you'll be happy enough.
     
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  9. nastybobby

    nastybobby Kapellmeister

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    Has anyone really developed anything that supersedes what many Waves plugins can do quantitatively, like use far less processing power and produce the same qualitative result? Is this why many producers are still using them, or are they just used because they've become the 'industry standard/norm' and therefore replicable across studios and sessions, people know the GUI/settings really well and know [and trust] the sound they're going to get when they load them up? I've been lucky enough to use fairly decent machines for the last few years so I've not really noticed any great difference in cpu load if what's on a channel is within a sensible range and not one of my mate's 'lets throw the kitchen sink at this, FX chain odyssey, routed and bussed like an octopus having an orgasm on the map of the London Underground' type of tracks.

    I don't honestly know if I could differentiate between a Waves plugin and [as an example] a Fabfilter one if it was a fairly neutral, vanilla setting/sound, say a fairly gentle compression or a common or garden room reverb. I'd love to see some blind testing with really famous producers and see if they could pick out the details that tells them it's a Waves plugin and why they prefer it over something else. I think most of them probably could to be honest, as the more I've learned the more I've realised it's about lots and lots of little details rather than one thing or another, not that I'm comparing myself to them in any way.
     
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    Kramer tape is a bit hungry. But i think this is partially on the interface "rotating tape emulation".I've used it on an older machine too and i was a bit heavy for it. This takes us back on the previous comments on GUI.I prefer simple ones.I only use exciting interfaces if a customer is here. Subtle involving on the mix bus so it will always be "flashing and shining" on screen. Believe me it has the same impact like this one :
    - "hey give me some more reverb on my voice"
    (you just give a bit in the headphones aux)
    -"is it ok now mr Singer ? "
    -"Great"
     
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  11. G String

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    haha
     
  12. merko

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    Lol, it's a ridiculous question to begin with, not really helped by all the people slating software they don't understand....

    If you can't make good music with Waves plug ins, it's definitely not down to the plug ins..
     
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  13. Pm5

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    Because you might need to use this plugin again in 6 months, or years. And you need them to behave the same at that moment.
     
  14. Bunty_19

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    Dear Experts, is there a list (or a guide) of these plugins which could briefly illustrate type or kind of plugin best used for certain instruments/mix purpose?

    Pl suggest!
     
  15. gokkyofficial

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    ı educated from technical university from computer science and technology department ı wrote it shorhtly in my mother language and its nice to see here many egoist boy :D
     
  16. Pagurida

    Pagurida Producer

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    waves plugins are as old-fashioned and outdated as physics is :)
     
  17. nastybobby

    nastybobby Kapellmeister

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    I know what you mean regarding some eye candy to impress clients. When I worked as a tape op in a studio in the 90's, the manager would always get the console with flying faders to do that wave preset if a new client was looking around the place. Their little faces lit up every time those flying faders moved across the board like a snake and I suppose it was fairly impressive for the time, in hindsight the Helios desk it replaced looked like shit but sounded like liquid gold.
     
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    I agree it's hard for something to be boring if it works. While many plugins do the same thing, some are better than others but if it's not broke no need to fix it - Waves has kept up with the times and allow you to pick & choose. Also computing power along with the latest conversion/clock technology available is sufficient to run native plugins across many tracks with minimal latency. There will always be alternatives and new options but i tend to worry more about how my final mix sounds than what a specific plugin looks like. If it dose the job keep it, even if you find a shiny new toy it doesn't necessarily mean you should ditch the old one. Personally I make a list of my top 5 most used plugins in each category for example EQ's, Comp/Limiter's, Reverbs, Delays, Mastering, Specialty etc. so that at any given time i have no more than 50-60, 3rd party plugins installed. This cuts down on clutter & helps workflow by allowing you to focus on the task at hand. To do the same start with 5-6 categories & choose what plugins you use most and which work best for a given task. rid yourself of the rest. In most DAW's for example you can make a folder for each plugin type or job.

    Organize by type - EQ, Filter, Comp/Limiter, Reverb, Delay, Mastering etc.
    Organize by job - Drums, Bass, Vocal, Loops, Instruments etc.

    Alternatives to the plugins you listed
    Voxengo - LF Max Punch
    Voxengo - Soniformer
    Voxengo - Elephant
    Syncersoft - Bass Booster
    Refuse - Lowender

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    UAD Audio Plugins are good also but i generally use Native Plugins with my ADK Racks running Win 7 Pro. I tried several UAD-2 powered Plugins, without any major bump in performance or end result, especially vs Audio Ease, FabFilter & Acustica Audio's Plugins which hold it down without a doubt.

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    Good Luck :woot:









     
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  19. Voo

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    Anyone that has any outdated 50' - 70's Gibson or Fender guitars or amps please send them to me.

    There is no such thing as outdated software or hardware in music. Everything is a tool in the right hands.

    Thankyou
    Drive around
     
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  20. Death Thash Doom

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    I believe you've hit on a huge key point and something which is a vastly important "feature" that not every user needs or wants but if it is needed it is rather impossible to calculate the value for money it is worth.

    Now I know that PACE are rather hated, In many cases rightfully so and many people simply will refuse to buy a license for audio software if it requires an iLok (or any other form of dongle). In an ideal world no form of protection would exist and once a customer has bought a license to use a piece of audio software then all they need do is either run the installer or place certain files into certain directories and everything instantly works without any hassle...The real world is so far removed from an ideal one though, So all the copy protection stuff exists.
    Now if I am working somewhere, Pretty much anywhere and I want to use the audio tools I prefer over or along with whatever tools are already available at the location if I have my iLok with me plus another couple of USB pen drives carrying other licenses where applicable plus the installers then it doesn't matter where I am because I've got nearly instant access to the stuff which I'm extremely familar with and therefore my workflow will not be impaired by foreign tools which would indeed still allow myself and anyone else to get the job done with the desired end result but it would take a while longer to adapt to the tools available, This is an area where I find software and hardware vastly different personally with the exception perhaps of mixing consoles which use different terms and methods to do the same thing, That is why/the main reason certain room always get booked out oppose to one's which do not (Pending the live space(s) which accomany said control room's are acoustically sound of course depending on the project), Some outboard I'd include also but the vast majority are easy to get to grips with very quickly just by diddling around with the key controls. Great point about the more recent ability to utilize familar tools in the live sound enivroment, It is a huge deal as many of the band's I know make alot of their shekels from good old hard touring especially from the merch, If it is a band that are opening for a bigger band/not that well known then it is even more important for them to have a good quality live sound as it'll be many of the audience's first time hearing what that band have to offer...If their monitor mixes are crap and their FOH crap then it'll leave a pretty sore first impression on those hearing them and their material for the first time which is the polar opposite of what any band need! A good monitor mix at least even with a junk FOH mix will enable them to do their thing and gain additional fan's plus encourage those whom saw then/heard them but couldn't get a full impression of them live to look them up online, If they appeal then those that took the time to find out more are all potential fan's. So what I'm trying to say in a nutshell is that those whom don't have the luxary of a great home studio that have to travel around for work find many benefits to having alot of their goto tools on an iLok dongle and/or a dedicated USB stick, Ulitmately I really like the developer's whom offer the option/a couple of different methods to authorize/use licenses as it works out flexable for any of us end user's. I fully understand how some people do not appreciate such "features" and find them more like additional hoops one must jump through to simply use tools they have paid for, However one must look at things from differing points of view sometimes to appreciate why certain things are the way they are or they'll never see the forest for the trees.

    YMMV of course and all the best to everyone as always :)

    Dean
     
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