An American expression goes, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it," or, non-colloquially, "If it isn't broken, don't fix it." Waves probably doesn't see the necessity that you do to alter the GUI designs of older plug-ins in order to make them seem "updated" or "rejuvenated." They keep addding plug-ins with almost every update of their "complete" package," and updating and bug-fixing all the plug-ins as necessary, so their focus is on that stuff. There is also the matter of familiarity among longtime users; revised/modernized GUI designs might alienate those users or somewhat disrupt their workflow.

The GUI design for the Waves Butch Vig Vocals is incredibly arty and cool, but almost of the point of distractive.

My wish for Waves plug-ins is that they would be lighter on system resourcves. The Eddie Kramer and Chris Lord Alge sets (for example) are wonderful, but they're, shall we say, "needy."

 

Can I rape this thread for a wave based question, please?

maybe someone can tell me why maxxbass often creates this nasty clippy/distorted sound, even if the settings are not touched at all.

I really like this plug, but in 80 % of all cases I just can not use it because of this.

 

seems common place for people to take the piss out of waves

truth is they are a poor mans version of UAD

but they do have some quality plug-ins
there is also a lot of shit.

i for one hate all the cla drums/guitar/vocals etc

bad GUI is a poor excuse for not knowing how to use your tools.

 

Because Waves plugins are mostly being used by major studios. That's their primary target, and such studios usually have already thrown A LOT of money on Pro Tools HD systems with dedicated DSP cards (yes, since recently you can use Pro Tools with any interface, but if you want 64 tracks at once for a full orchestral recording, you don't really have other options). Often it's older versions - they still use PT8, PT7 because they're using HD. Are they obsolete? Not at all! The additional features and workflow enhancements are fun for sure and can really prove useful, but for them it often means ditching their whole setup they know in and out. Something no professional studio can afford is upgrading and having a week or two out of order because something changed a little bit and they need to learn how to do it the new way. That's also related to Waves: they made the first decent analog-modeled plugins, some people noticed the potential (and HUGE savings because maintenance of legendary hardware costs A TON) and jumped in. Other studios followed, and then sticked with it as they already bought the pricey Waves packages, and more importantly, they already learnt it.

For home/small studio use. sure, go FabFilter, go Brainworx, they have some of the greatest engineers and their plugins are objectively one of the best. But understand large studios need to keep running. Just like there's no time there to download freeware plugins, there's no time to risk getting out of stuff they know and learning during a session. Priorities are different. Waves do update their plugins to the new formats (AAX, 64-bit and the like) as they go and do minor bugfixes, nothing more - so major studio engineers wouldn't complain about weird updates that force them to re-learn. Remember all the fuzz just after FL Studio 12 came out? Some GUI changes, lots of great features (FLAC support, vectorial UI great for multi-monitor setup etc.).

 

Non of your business! I'm Turkish and the post is mine. He is answering to me, not to you! Like it or not!

 

That may be a fair complaint, but calling someone a terrorist for posting in another language is stupid and needlessly antagonistic. Frankly that kind of thinking causes most of the problems in the world.

 

Calling someone a Terrorist because he wrote in turkish is certainly not the best joke in these troubled times to say the least.

Nonetheless, I don't think (or rather, I hope) that the poster wasn't serious when writing this. I assume that it was a joke, a bad one, but a joke indeed.

 

There's nothing wrong to write in turkish or in any other language for that matter but the thing is that the only language that can be understood by everyone is english.

Under this assumption, everyone might start to post in his own language and soon enough, nobody will be able to understand what is written in this forum.

 

I don't know why the hell in this place every thread tend to become a fight !???
Everyone hear about healthy-discussion?
To everybody:
- if someone writing and speaking on Arabic, Turkish, etc... that is not reason for calling him terrorist etc...
To GokhanH33:
- I'm afraid this is not yours, this is public community and there are rules, nice behavior, etc...

Why the hell is so hard to be nice ?
Peace to all

 

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If you open up an old project, that used one of those plugins, you will need them. So it makes sense to keep them in the bundle instead of making the people install them from some old release.

It also would fuck your old project up if they changed the sound of the plugin. Nobody would want their track to sound different now to what it did back then.

In the end you still can use them today, people use old hardware everyday. The only thing why this is a little different with plug ins is because newer VST effects often sound better. But sometimes better sound isn't what you need.

 

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most of the old waves stuff is really poor in comparison to other plugs on the market for years at least the last 7 years but the newer plugs are more comparative. So it has nothing to do with ain't broke because it is.

 

just as one example Voxengo are imo are much better master suite eq, comp limit than the old waves stuff, DMG are another i could go on.

 

I hate all plugin bundle. I don't use Waves plugins. A problem is, if you in collaboration, open others project you must have those plugin.

 

Waves outdated??? Geez these bedroom producers are a joke! Hit a platinum album first and then you can talk crap about your free plugins ;)

 

Waves has many good plugins a lot of them you cannot get the sound if you don't use them a lot of plugins you can only get that sound waves plugins one example is the L2 L3 limiter I have tried many limiters but they don't sound like that and give me that sound

 

From Waves, I only use some plugins, because I don't find the others useful, mostly the C1 Comp because it does eveyrthing I need for clean compression (comp, expander/gate, sidechain, etc...), C4 multiband comp occasionnally, Puigtec EQs for the drums. Some other plugins are nice like the RS56 Passive EQ or the dbx-160, but most of their plugins just don't suit me. It's more about workflow than really have "the best plugin emulation of analog device ever made".

 

Well I would not say any of these are better but they're worth checking out if You feel like you'd like some additional low-end reinforcement.
Waves LoAir (This one is excellent I find, I use it alot more than any other actually. It's killer).
Waves Ren Bass (different I know but if you've not picked it up, You might want to, They work great together).
reFuse Software Lowender (Just like a good old dbx 110 and/or 120, It's a great plugin).
Metric Halo MH Thump 2 (A Freebie and a decent one at that, Their channel strip has been one of my "goto" inserts since they released it).
Voxengo LFMaxPunch (It combined the seperate Low Frequency and Max Punch plugin's, It is good but I'd rather have Waves LoAir, Maxx and Ren Bass tbh).
MDA subSynth (A "vintage" plugin but it is still great for free).
Oh and MeldaProduction no doubt have at least one plugin which can do this subharmonic synth thing, I'd be very suprised if they didn't.

Can not think of any others off the top of my head, Maybe Plugin Alliance bx_boom but that isn't very flexable at all but it's great on kick drums, Then it is fairly simple to mimic what Little Labs VOG does (or grab Boz Digital Labs freebie that does the same thing, Add saturation afterwards to taste) and also with some messing around it isn't too difficult to get decent results using a multi-band dynamic EQ amongst other methods such a keying into a minimoog (or other synthesizer). Alot of DAW applications come with their own these days too which is only a good thing.

I wouldn't uninstall/drop the Waves plugin's myself personally nor Am I attempting to/advocating that You do so either. On a one to one basis alot of Waves plugin's have competition but as a whole there isn't anything which comes close to covering what Waves can and do cover, The uniform method of storing presets along with certain plugin's they do having no equal and in some cases no equal unless you've got a UAD2 setup, The time they've been around and always supported Pro Tools cross platform it is easy to see how they became synonymous with the phrase "industry standard"

Hope that helps if You're after checking out some other low-end solutions, If not I'm sorry to rattle on. All the best your way
and to all as always

Dean

 

Minor correction to an otherwise very reasonable post: PT used natively (ie without HD hardware) will give you 96 tracks at 24-bit/48 kHz.

 

I'd be nice to whom's nice to me. And it's nobody's right to call a person terrorist because of his language. If you don't like something, you warn politely, right? Who the hell is he to call us like that?!

 

-There are "old" plugins, because when you open an old project, plugins are working the same way on your 64bits 32GB ram computer than your original 32bits 4GB one you written your project on.
That's what professional ppl ask for : getting the job done. They don't care if plugin X is better than Y, if X don't load when they need it.
Waves spend a lot of money to get the code updated on each new platform, for every old plugin.

Something some devs don't care about. They create another plugin version and tell you to use the old version on another old OS install.
Witch mean you will have to export/replace all your "old" projects to use every new version.
Something easy for a single person working on his own projects, but not a pro working on several projects each week...for years.

It is convenient and you gain time. And time is money for pro ppl.

So yes, there are better sounding/GUI plugins sometimes. But getting your old projects loaded when you need it is better than getting better sound...if only your project loaded on deadline

A lot of ppl don't see this point for now. But they will understand what i mean in 10 years

-Another point missed by most ppl : you can't change sound code in a released plugin.
Because if you do, ALL projects using it will need to be mixed again.
That's why, when you want to update sound code, you need to create another different plugin.

PS :
MaxxBass, RenBass are sub bass replacer.
LoAir, Lowender and such are sub generators.
They are completely OPPOSITE. This is an error i see since they are created. ppl don't even know how they work.

Replacer generate harmonics and remove/filter energy from sub basses.
Generators create subs from upper signal.

There is no credible alleged replacement for MaxxBass/RenBass. And yes, i tested them all