You can be a good "point and click" musician with the pianoroll as your only instrument. For that, you need "only" need to be a good musician in the first place and be able to input the desired notes into a pianoroll.

Expecting to become a good musician by avoiding the training and just reading some stuff.. that's hilarious... and sad.

I wonder if the new generation of writers also think this way...

"I have a text editor on my laptop and I know words. Why wouldn't that be enough for me to write like Shakespeare?"


OTOH, saying that you'll practice musical concepts on a pianoroll is like saying that you're going to practice racecar driving on a playstation with a TV that has a 5 second lag.

 

And the Skrillex video proves my point by him making that drum sequence all in midi in his piano roll.

 

No. Go back to my last post at the end of the last page, showing Skrillex playing a bunch of instruments. He's no virtuoso, but he surely can find his way around in a rock jam.

In fact, I really challenge you to find a top notch producer of any genre who can't play at least one instrument reasonably well.

 

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Hopefully you'll take your head out of your butt (in the future) and realize how dumb you are right now.

As I've pointed earlier, a good musician can write a piece of music entirely on a piano roll or sheet music...or even not write or play at all and compose it all in his head. BUT, there's some practicing and training to be had first.... lots of it, it's an ongoing process.

Your expectations to do this without first creating a strong musical foundation that includes awareness, ear and theory in practice are laughable.


With that shitty mindset, don't expect to achieve anything beyond the usual "pick a scale, drop some chords, draw a melody and sound like everyone else".

 

My worst songs are better than your best no offense.

 

In that case, your good to go. No need to ask for advice when you know better than anyone who answered your topic.

BTW, didn't know you had my discography. Tell me if you want an autograph.

 

What happens if EDM goes out of fashion and acoustic guitar music takes over?

 

The musical skill remains, no matter what the medium is.

If you never had any musical chops, you'll keep having none when you turn off your computer.


edit: When will people realize that being a sound designer is not the same as being a musician? At best you would be the equivalent to an orchestrator/arranger but still.. nowhere near.

 

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Yeah...You must be really good, specially considering that you've opened a thread asking if there's some kind of app or magic system to analyze chord progressions and melodies, since apparently you lack the basic knowledge to do it by yourself.

Come on, man...This is not a way to behave on the internet. People here are wasting their time trying to actually help you!

But...Since you're already so good, I guess you don't need any help here. You should be polishing your Grammy awards collection or chilling out with Paul McCartney.

 

Why anyone is even trying to help this guy, I have no idea. Worst, shitty attitude I've seen around here in a while, altho there's some close seconds.

Producer battles?, calling out people as "tough guy", bragging about writing EDM in a piano roll and claiming to be great at it yet, cant play an instrument and asking for music advice?

/Fail.

 

One can only wish.

 

Ah, leave him alone.

It has happened in history that someone completely ignorant has gone on to invent something completely new. It happens, rarely.

All you can say is... It is a widely held understanding that the "fastest" way to comprehend music is to become basically proficient on at least one instrument. It speeds up the process of understanding what you are hearing and looking at immensely. By playing an instrument in real time the musical ideas are coming out of you and not echoing back from the computer screen. You are actually part of the process and not just an observer.

I can understand wanting to do things your own way, but eventually if you want to go faster just get a midi keyboard and learn the notes. It is a lot easier than it looks.

 

Steve Faoki,

You have been given some great advice here by wise people who know what they are doing! More importantly they have put in the time and effort with their respective craft.

You asked for advice, people here offer it to you freely, and nicely, and you get rather nasty, childish and immature about it. That ain't how you go about playing with others. Apparently you never learned people skills and maybe you should start there.

There are no shortcuts to learning any skill in life.

You need to put in the time and effort and be disciplined about it, very disciplined.

Learning an instrument, as already advised, would be the place to start. A keyboard, as already advised, offers you everything you are asking for.

Good luck!!!
disciplined

 

Pianoroll LAN party?

 

Actually the first place to start is get a little humility & stop being a rude, antagonistic shithead when asking for help!

 

LOL
Screwing and making love, are two different things esoterically.
Hey, long as you get to climax I guess.

 

That doesn't excuse disrespect to those who spend their time trying to help.

 

Maybe that's the new thing he is trying to accomplish.

 

DING DING DING! I never like to get involved in confrontational conversations but @Slider nailed it. The biggest problem first lies in the OP's attitude. I can't believe I took the time to read three pages of this thread and never saw the guy accept any advice or show any sign of humility ONCE.

You know what's funny? All of my friends are doing it the way he's trying to do it. And for the four years we've all been producing, I've seen no progression in their music. One is very good at chopping up songs and laying drums on top. The other is good at using pre-made arpeggios and also laying drums on top in FL Studio. Guess what they're both doing four years later? The same exact thing.

I was the only one who has actually took interest in learning piano. You know, that black and white instrument where the notes repeat and helps you understand what actually sounds good together in music? Yea, that. The same freaking instrument that is shown in your daw's PIANO roll.
Is it the longer/harder way? Yes. Do i make less music due to practice? For now, possibly yes. But take the samples away, and the arpeggios away and guess who is the only one that could actually compose music from scratch? You guessed it. He'd be clicking his way through notes, while I'd be playing those incredible arpeggios he loves so much lol. Now, being at the point of DAILY practice, I can't tell you how satisfying it is to hear chords you actually PLAYED within an instrumental, how time saving it is, and how differently you view/hear music (especially when you realize you're developing the ability to detect chords of a popular song by ear).

If the Op was humble enough to listen, he'd realize by what he's being told, that learning an instrument is the fastest way to learn all the theory he'd like to know. If you want to sit there and guess/google notes/websites all day, then have fun. But with that attitude of never wanting to learn or grow (or "refusing" as he put it), you'll get nowhere in life. And that goes way beyond music. If anything this thread made me even happier about my decision to learn the instrument as it reaffirmed all my initial thoughts. Now if you'll excuse me, I have some practice to get back to. "Pretty chords" are quite beautiful . Perhaps, I'll challenge the OP to draw it in his daw in the same amount of time I play it? . Wish you the best Faoki. Be humble my friend. If an instrument does not interest you, at least accept the difference of other's opinions (which were FACTS) rather than fighting back with your own thoughts. These guys only seek to help you. You asked the question.

 

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This whole thing is like trying to install Windows on a "Binary Arithmetic Relay Calculator"
He can't process this much of information. Just let him produce his Bigroom-Trap fusion with a cracked Sylenth in hopes of becoming the next Avicii.
I guess you cannot expect more from a guy who idolizes Skrillex all the time.


Edit: Actually, I like Skrillex cause He knows that he's doing.
Where do you think those crazy vocal chopping skills are coming from?
He arranges all of it in his mind before even recording his voice, loading the audio in Melodyne and expecting magical results to happen

 

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