A440 vs. A432 some science

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  1. Zealious

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    The Only Truth about this is here:

    432Hz is the A -note on the Pythagorean Scale where C is 256Hz

    256Hz is derived by multiplying 1 hz like this...

    1 + 1 = 2 + 2 = 4 + 4 = 8 +8 = 16 + 16 = 32 + 32 = 64 + 64 = 128 + 128 = 256 Hz

    1 Hz is literally "Vibration Per Second"

    So the Truth is that yes, 432Hz is more in scale with the minutes and seconds and hours in a day, than 440Hz will ever be.

    That is a fact that only a musician who does not know how to count this, will try and refute

    How ever

    432Hz is in no way in harmony with the Sun or other planets, because, we have 365,25 days in the Year

    ( we used to have 360 calendar days in the year all over the planet in all continents - i m not getting in to that subject, but that is simply a historical fact that is true regardless of ones religion )

    So in order for you to get the correct Hz that is really tuned with the Planets and the Sun >>

    ( the Real 432 Hz derived from the 256Hz, remember your songs will NOT be in tune with anything, if your Scale is not Real Pythagorean Scale - and there is currently no Real Pythagorean Tuning Files Available anywhere... Check my topic earlier, the Pyhagorean Scales that are in circulation are out of tune and sound stupid compared to even the Equal Temperament )

    So if your synth is in Equal Temperament.... and you have your A in 432Hz... not only are you out of tune with all the planets, but all other keys in the song are out of tune with everything.

    And Yes, there is Mathematical Logic to what is Harmonious, and yes many Jazz Musicians intuitively have tuned their instruments in tune with nature, not only the key A but all the other keys as close as possible.

    >> To get the Real 432Hz... you MUST have an accurate ( not downloaded scl file ) Pyhagorean Tuning in your instrument... And you must calculate the difference between a Hertz ( vibration per second ) for a day in a current year of 365,25 days and the HZ in a day where this same year is divided by 360 Days.

    Remember, the year is just as long as it has ever been... only now we have more days in the year, that we had in the past, according to all historical almanacs and calculations

    ( no humans we not that stupid few hundreds of years ago, to all miss exactly 5,25 days a year... all of them at the same time, all over the planet by mere coincidence )

    So once you do this calculation, and you start using the Real Pythagorean Scale ( Sounds like the tuning in the Motown records ) then you have more natural, and harmonious tuning.
     
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  2. Rhodes

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    ... let the party begin :chilling:
     
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    It all reeks of new age bullshit, The sort of thing that David Icke and so on would jizz in their shell suits abouts. The best part is they always harp on about masons, satanists, occult practicioners and of course the illuminati (jew lizards) of being obcessed with numerology and they themselves are doing exactly the same thing...Now where is that video of Icke making a epic joke out of himself on Wogan, I need to see it and share it for shits and giggles
    I wish I had a shell suit, They need to bring them beauties back! Now it is time to go and listen to some Justin Broaderick for me personally
     
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    Thanks for posting that article, which succinctly digests a lot of information on A=432 that I've read in different sources.

    I do wonder about the aggressive conspiracy to standardize A=440 as the worldwide temperament of instruments, and I am convinced that it had to do with more than with selling instruments internationally. For centuries, different countries, and even composers, varied the A=4xx norm, according to whatever idiosyncrasies might warrant or dictate. Finally, in the 20th Century, contemporaneous with the nascence of the New World Order (and with the burgenoning of Communism and Fascism), this A=440 standard is imposed - "or else." It would figure that the French would hold out, saying "non" to it as they did – and I mean that as a compliment to the French.

    I tuned my second guitar to A=432 and found it more relaxing to play than the one tuned to A-440, and not because the strings were slacker – but because the A=440 sounded more "high-strung." It's not just a matter of down-tuining to a D from an E (with the same interval mathematics intact). It really does sound and feel different.

    I find interesting the intervals of 128/256/512 Hz of A=432. Those numbers are found in everyday computer engineering – bitrates of MP3s, MBs of RAM, GBs of hard drives, and so forth.
     
  5. floond

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    I'm not sure about any aggressive conspiracy. I mean a conference was held in 1940 where it was suggested to make 440 the standard, practically noone agreed or "obeyed" and it wasn't until 1955 it became an international standard. The noble French you say held out, only did so because they already had standardized to 435hz by law in 1859 (Fascists! lol). It's funny the Schiller institute rambles on about Goebbels dictating shit around WW2 when they on the other hand praise the similar conference held in Vienna in 1889 where it was suggested to follow the French and make 435hz the standard (no one agreed or "obeyed" back then either). Speaking of fascism though check out this bill the Schiller Institute petitioned for the government to make law in Italy:
    The Bill
    Article 1
    I The sound of reference fo� the basic tuning of musical
    instruments is the note A (inde 3), whose pitch must correspond
    to the frequent of 432 hertz (Hz), measured at a room
    temperature of 20° Centigrade.
    Article 2
    It is obligatory for institut�s of musical instruction, for
    institutions and organizations in any way subsidized by the
    State or by public agencies, wpich run or use orchestras or
    other musical ensembles, and to the concessionary agency of
    public radio and television seJice, to consistently adopt as
    the reference sound for intonafon, the note A (index 3) as in
    the previous article. Exemptio�s may be granted for exigencies
    of artistic research, excep for passages of vocal music
    or opera performances.
    Article 3
    To comply with what is disIfsed by the foregoing articles
    it is obligatory to use practical reference instruments for
    intonation (tuning forks, metal bIers, plates, electronic generators,
    etc.) which are calib4ted to the frequency of 432
    hertz and endowed with the relevant mark of guarantee, indicating
    the prescribed freque cy. A tolerance above or below
    this of 0.5 hertz is allowed.
    Article 4
    Contributions by the States and by public entities are also
    conditioned by the proven observances of the standards contained
    in the present law.
    Article 5
    The utilization of instrume ts of reference not conforming
    to the standard of the above Article 3 is punished with the .
    confiscation of the non-standard object and with a fine for
    each specimen of between 1001 000 and 1,000,000 liras [ approximately
    $73-730-ed.].
    Article 6
    The specialized institutes authorized to supply the sample
    frequency for calibrating the reference instruments and to
    exercise control functions, will be indicated by a decree of
    the Ministry of Public Instructibn.
    Article 7
    The Ministry of Public In truction, in concert with the
    Ministry of Tourism and Entertainment, shall take measures
    the term of one year to issue the code of enactment of the
    present law.
    Article 8
    All preexisting laws on thi matter are abrogated.
    In short, if you are found in possession of tuning forks or similar reference instruments that deviate more than +-0.5 from 432hz you'll be fined and the object confiscated lol (It didn't pass though).

    Another interesting fact is that they purport this as Verdi's tuning, he appears to like it but in no way obsessive about it as the following quote shows :
    - Giuseppe Verdi in a letter to the musical commission of the government, reported by the 1884 decree.
    So basically he says "I'm cool with 435hz but if you'd prefer 432, I'm cool with that too. It makes fuck all difference anyways".

    The binary sequence 1/2/4/8/16 etc of intervals are interesting yeah and used in computing. The physicist Sauveur thought so too, and thought "hmm, wouldn't it be cool if we had a note that was exactly 1hz then it's octaves would follow this awesome sequence and be whole numbers". In the standard 440hz tuning the closest note to 256hz was the C at 261.63hz and thus the so-called scientific pitch was born with C256. Scientific pitch has A at 430.7hz in Equal Temperament and around 426,7hz in Just though. In Pythagorean temperament we do get the magical 432hz but the Schiller institute never clarifies why anyone would use that in modern times. It went out of fashion during the Renaissance or once we started using 3rds in harmonies. I.E. minor and major chords because 3rds sound dissonant in this tuning. In Pythagorean times only octaves, fifths and fourths were considered and used harmoniously.

    As I mentioned in a previous post in this thread, you have to refurnish your fretboard on the guitar and move all the frets to comply with the ratios of Pythagorean temperament. The standard fretboard is ~12 tone Equal temperament (or close). So if you've tuned your A to 432hz, your Cs aren't delightful integers in harmony with ze Cosmos but rather 128.43/256.87/513,74 etc. Not as sexy huh.
    Conversely if you tune C to 256, your A will be 430,5hz as mentioned above.

    For vocalists / opera singers it makes sense to not pitch too high, and 435 or 432 is likely preferable. But the planets don't care I'm sure.

    Interesting topic, it makes me miss weed though lol :)
     
  6. rhythmatist

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    I may have used the term science loosely in the thread title here. Opinion with a small amount of real science, some babble. Thanks everybody for your interest in my thread.
     
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  7. Will SouthCape

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    I've heard a Lil Wayne guitar solo on 432Hz and it was as majestic as the Sun rising over the Sphinx in Giza.
     
  8. PsYAuM

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    I don't expect anybody who is ignorant to spirituality to embrace it so therefore it is expected that those ignorant of it would try and shoot it down. Our culture from birth disconnects people from there true essence and unless people work daily with the Chakra's to energise them it is highly unlikely they are going to be able to feel the vibratory energetic differences of the spirits more natural tones. In many ways the complete opposite will be experienced, especially by those more attached to there mind than there heart. Don't knock what you don't understand or more importantly what you are not in tune with! As somebody who has experienced a Tantric orgasm through sound I am well placed to comment on such matters as I truly am in tune with the vibration of sound. 432 Hz enriches the soul and when performed from the heart is a cosmic experience that is untouched in the physical realm. That should be of no surprise when you consider everything is vibration.
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  9. killa

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    Hold on a sec. You realise just about the only thing David Icke has said which has not yet been proven at a later date is that the royal family are lizards?

    Every other conspiracy 'theory' he mentioned some time ago has eventually come to be a conspiracy fact. I'm just waiting for the moment the queen rips her face mask off to reveal green scales and a forked tongue....
     
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    I'm pretty sure neither the Vedas or Tantras makes any mention of 432hz specifically. There are many ways to balance your chakras, devotion to 432hz may be your yoga for others other frequencies may bring them in tune with the cosmos, after all OM encompasses all frequencies... Here's a guy who uses A426,7 for chakra balancing and healing : https://www.healingsounds.com/sound-and-the-chakras
     
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    Lil Wayne can play an instrument? :drummer:
     
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    You are correct in saying that Om/Aum encompasses all frequencies as creation itself is all vibrations. That is not to say that there aren't certain frequencies that are more aligned to your spiritual centre than others. The vast majority of spiritually orientated people I know, like me, tune to A432 because they feel that vibration more than any other tuned frequency. That is not to say that other frequencies don't float other people's boats, as I have no doubt they do. For me personally and my path I am considerably more receptive to A432 than anything else but then I'm still on my path and still climbing it so it is highly possible that at some point in time another tuning might connect at a deeper level than A432. But for now A432 floats my boat at a level far and above anything else I've ever experienced, hence why I'm so pro it! All I can say on a personal level is clear the mind, open the heart and feel the vibration and if it works for you that is all that matters!
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  13. Will SouthCape

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    Seriously guys? Chakras? For realzies now? Even two identical guitars produced by the same tree can resonate at different frequencies and have slightly different sound, and you're bringing "chakras" into this? Nothing spiritual in prejudice and misinformation.
     
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    Call 100 people to do a test.

    Tell 50 that you're conducting an experiment in how 432Hz feels much more relaxed than 440Hz.

    Tell 50 that you're conducting an experiment in how 432Hz feels much more dramatic than 440Hz.

    Enjoy the results.

    Tune your instruments to Gb. Play everything a semitone higher.

    Realize that frequency is a continuum and ratios are all that really matters.
     
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    I love pseudo-science, it makes the world seem so maagicaaal...

    Nope, it makes me feel stupid, but I can see an opportunity of talking about that when drunk in a pub.
     
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    There's lower and higher in pitch, from zero to whatever you are able to hear.

    Different instruments don't react the same to all frequencies (even when talking about the same kind of instrument).

    Electronic instruments also have sweetspots if you consider that there will always be a box pumping sound (speaker) and a room where that sound producing box is in. This results in a box within a box (the room) which will also have their sweet spots.

    Playing something lower or higher (by semitones for instance) will always have an effect on those sweetspotic frequencies and presenting people with a lower pitched version of something will always sound deeper, unless the instrument playing it (or the box reproducing) has lack of low end representation. That would make the music lose bass the more you went down in pitch.

    Think about it.

    Example:

    The deepest note you want on your bass line is during the chorus. The chorus has 4 chords and the third one is the one you want to make deep.

    Notes on the bassline: A G F C

    Now you transpose it all down 3 semitones, your deep F is now down to a D.. but instead of a deep note you hear a faint weak rumble and that D note sounds like it has vanished and only left a slight trail on the upper octave.
     
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    Well there is so much stuff that has said that hasn't at the same time, I know how messed up this planet is and there is definately something very wrong with these "elites". I also can not zionist's or any other kind of fanatics but zionism in particular are the worst of the worst. I have zero like for this so called royal family that hoard all thier wealth, inbreed and make sure to keep marriage in the family also (amongst many other things). We'd be far better off without them sick fucks in this country and on planet earth too for that matter. I do get dogged alot by friend's for being a "truther" or "conspiracy theorist" as it happens man, Inside it all there are alot of truths which we will find out about (All these peado rings and even darker/nastier messed up stuff than that. They have such a tight control over things though that we only seem to get some of the real picture after they are dead. The flipside of that is all the people that come in and mess around, "leak" (dis)information and in some, If not alot of cases, The authority figures that infiltrate their way into things are paid to do so...It becomes such a haze or a fog that it get's harder and harder to take people on their word, When all that it seems to me is the people that want just the honest truth without all the fantasy and fiction thrown in and I just have never come across anyone that isn't always trying to sell me something I do not want, do not need or rehashed information or yet another documentary that I've seen before pretty much, You know?

    Like the x-files poster says "I want to believe", I genuinely do killa dude, It is just how to find a reliable source. I worry as I am a fulltime single father of two, I would like them to have a good future. Appologies if I have rattled on too much and gone off topic, Cheers and I hear you, I really do

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