this is in response with the other topic here posted.
i got this from somewhere and its very wonderful
and i feel that i must share it..because it applies to all


An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little..

The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F. As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. It could not be any simpler than that.




These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.


What a very Wonderful Insight..i hope we learn from it

 

Clearly this 'professor' did not know the difference between communism (which the article explains - erm.. in a fashion) and socialism which is entirely different. Shame he and you don't know the difference.

 

Honestly yes. i thought of mao zedong as ive read this..
and clearly i dont know anything about economics, socialism and communism

i just learn alot from the said story..
thank you for the another info

 

Monkeystylle - thanks for your text but it does not convince me.

Your simplistic explanation (which you copied from somewhere) ignores the fact that much people do study for their own growth and benefits. Without aiming any awards or repayments! Such methods of compensation do in truth only justify the necessity of a capitalist system of cannibalism; which splits up people into different classes generating greed, envy, crimes and wars.

Point 4 - "4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!" is completely wrong and misleading.
Wealth IS indeed only multiplied when it's shared with others!! What's the sense of existence of a singular person which has access to the best privileges, health care etc. when his fellowman or even brothers around him suffer for injustice, suppression and are forced to live in precariousness???

Point 3 - "3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else."
It's also a lie. Did you forget how governments and churches collaborated with totalitarian states and even with pirates?
Robbing also the poorest of the poorest people, taking the gold from the industrious people and sending them right into the gas chambers???

Please stop supporting those fake "wealth and light-bringers".

 

@kookaboo

your points are very valid..and i too believe in them


i just see another meaning from those points..
and yes in the other side of it there are grains of misleading


but i get your point...
thank you also for sharing your thoughts.
i learn also a lot from it

 

Totally agree with Kook,

Obama's plan should be thought as a "minimal standard of living". Isn't it paradoxical to you that in one of the most prosperous country in the world, where live the wealthiest men on Earth, people are still homeless and starving ? While on the other hand billions of dollars are spent in idiot wars ?

The point is giving back to community some of what it helped you to gain, just as simple as that. Elizabeth Warren said it very well



People in AMerica are still under MacCarthy's conception of socialism. It just means that to stay strong as a Society, we must think LESS as Individuals and MORE as part of a Community.

 

One key would be perhaps: Equal Rights. Regardless of any selective classification or origins.

What is the difference between a rich and a poor man?
The rich has many more fears, mental disorders and the tendency to segregate himself apart from people.

 

Be careful, this is a hot topic... besides, the existence of gas chambers has never been proved.

 

Your joking? With your statement you directly support the view of the biggest liars.
Never been proved? So take a flight or train and go to Auschwitz or Dachau in Germany!

 

Wow c'mon man...

 

I thought this was a pro audio forum. Am I wrong?

Or, is this the anti-pro socialist audio forum?

Or, the anti-socialist pro audio forum?

Or, the talk about anything but pro audio forum?

Seems like I've only answered 1 audio question all month.

I know we are in the lounge, just want to be phase coherent and politically correct. LOL

 

Asking the rich to pay their (proportionate) fair share of taxes -- is not a 'redistribution of wealth' or 'socialist' -- no matter how much bullshit is thrown around (don't be manipulated by media -- think)
A level playing field; 'equal rights and opportunity', and an end to political lobbying by corporations and the wealthy is not 'socialist' -- it is a necessity (less a bought Government / fascist state)

"You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it" -- You have been blinded by the media -- wake up my friend. This statement has already occurred, and proven false. A funny thing about greed; it is an unsustainable parasite, that will in time destroy the value of the entire system. Don't be misled, there is indeed a redistribution of wealth taking place -- but it's not being siphoned from the wealthy (yet) -- in unprecedented numbers, millions of (I won't say middle class or poor to avoid the 'class war' ploy) working class have lost their property, 401ks, investments, assets, and jobs -- These assets didn't just 'disappear' they changed hands. So, the idea that 'you can't multiply wealth by dividing it' -- is complete shit -- it is taking place right now, and this is exactly what they have done ! The rich are multiplying their wealth by dividing that of the working class -- If you can't see this yet -- you really need to turn the channel, or unplug your television altogether (your sources are corrupt). AGAIN -- A funny thing about greed; it is an unsustainable parasite, that will in time destroy the value of the entire system. If the wealthy maintain course, they will crash the whole fucking thing -- let me explain; the more and more we (the working class) lose, the less we have to spend, the prices hyper inflate, the herds (sheeple) will suffer and scores will die, the value of the dollar (euro, pound, yen, etc) crashes -- which will in turn devalue the holdings of the wealthy, the elite herd will thin as assets will define who remains -- this will likely lead to the whole global market one-world government agenda (if it hasn't already) -- which I am sure (by this time) will be widely accepted -- dissenters (mostly working class) will be too broken to raise much against it. In the end, this greed will cause the system to buckle and collapse -- If the working class can no longer participate within the economy (game), the economy itself will suffer, prove unsustainable and end. I liken this whole scheme to a game of Monopoly; in the beginning every one is content, all players have money, spend money, make money -- advantage and greed tilt the game, players lose all money and assets, and are eventually forced out. The game continues until there is one player holding 98% of all assets (a monopoly). Yet in the end when the game is all over, the money has no true value -- the board is folded, and properties are put back in the box and returned to the closet. All a facade. Who's the real winner ? Parker Brothers™ -- they made the game, and you bought it.

 

Correct, it's an audio forum. But a forum is a spot intended to be as a place of exchange of opinions or contents. Why limit it strictly to technological contents? I mean everybody - from well established people to the less - can be hit be a sudden crisis, unemployment, facing incisive, unpredictable changes.

Nobody is out of target - we're all on the same planet. So i believe it's good from time to time to know where (we) you stand.

 

LISTEN TO RON PAUL!!!

 

http://snd.sc/zXSl8H street politics

 

W0W, to be honest... I´m a little fascinated, because of such massive stupidity.
But in a way, he might be right. It´s not proved - it´s a simple fact!
Or has there been anybody who proved the existance of the sun???

He seems to have a kind character, because he even tried to warn us of "the hot topic".
It might were the exact words of one of his brown friends when they planted it into his hollow head!

Here in germany every school class is doing a visit to Dachau. And seeing this, sticks in yer mind !!

ok, mates GROOVE ON !!!

 

I guess most of us here are working class, otherwise we wouldn't need Saint's site.

 

Hey Kook, I was just joking. Since you want to hear my 2 cents worth, here it goes.

Government is much more complex and massive than a class at school. Although the same comparisons can be made between them, there are so many factors screwing up governments it would be hard to pigeon hole them into one type. Governments are so diverse that they have become a complex mix of democratic, socialist, communist, ect.

 

Wooow, who's the nazi now?

My mistake, I just thought that kind of forum was more open minded...

I admit it was "trolly", but every truth not admitted by the masses is always and I'm tired to play the sheep to please the ignorants.
Anyway, if you are open minded and want to learn beyond CNN, just read Norman Finkelstein and Robert Faurisson to name a few and try to be honest with yourselves... You can also use Youtube if you're too young/lazy to read.

I hope I didn't shocked too many people, life is shocking.

Regards.

 

This is the type of garbage that gets passed around by the radical right wing fascists here in the States who suffer from "Obama Derangement Syndrome", caused by the election of a non-white president. Since they can't just stand up and scream "There's a ni**** in the White House!!!", they attack his wife, his integrity and anything else they can come up with, no matter how outlandish, false or unfair - including calling him a "Socialist".

He's hardly a perfect president, but he saved what was left of the US auto industry, and while I certainly would prefer a single payer health care system, he did as much as he was able to help MILLIONS of Americans get and keep health insurance who otherwise might lose everything they've worked for their entire lives just because they become ill.

I have an alternative story - how about that professor injects the students at random with a terrible disease, and then only those who happen to have 5 hundred dollars on them get the antidote. That's the alternative to Obama's "Socialism".

Illness and medical bills were linked to at least 62.1% of all US personal bankruptcies in 2007. Most medically bankrupt families were middle class before they suffered financial setbacks. 60.3% of them had attended college and 66.4% had owned a home; 20% of families included a military veteran or active-duty soldier.

Surprise, medical bankruptcy is also linked to losing your home, and to homelessness. Duh.

What a horrible thing for President Obama to actually care about this and try to do something about it! The guy's a monster! </snark>