Sample libraries on external hard drive?

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  1. Haydnberg

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    Hey guys,

    My ever growing collection of sample libraries has led me to put all of them on an external WD elements USB 3.0 (considering my laptop has 128gbs of storage -_-----)

    Anyways, loading times to kontakt take an outrageous amount of time, I'm talking 3-7 minutes for some of the bigger patches.

    Is this basically how it has to go or has anyone found hardware that speeds up the load time. I believe my WD elements is 7200 RPM. 1Tb.
     
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  3. One Reason

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    Sounds about right for an older laptop and a 7200 Sata depending on what your trying to load.

    Does your laptop even support USB 3?

    Batch resave ur libraries to help with future loading times. (Gonna take some time too)

    When you can afford it.. get a decent size SSD external... it will speed things up a million percent.
     
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  4. Haydnberg

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    @One Reason Funny enough, I'm running a brand new Mac Book Pro with Retina Display I picked up last week. It supports usb 3.0 and thunderbolt.
     
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    Brand new with a 128G drive???? I assume its an SSD... albeit a small one.

    Anyway... your weakest link is the Sata... HUGE libs are going to take several minutes to load, period....

    Get u an ext. SSD, other than that.. ANYthing u do isnt going to make much of a difference short of batch re-saving.
     
  6. E.C.R

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    SDD does the trick....some big libraries load in a few seconds
     
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    Kontakt>options >sample rebatch
     
  8. One Reason

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    Ya, already been suggested.. 2x
     
  9. SineWave

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    Your external USB 3.0 HD shouldn't be that slow. This external WD HD must be either garbage, or it's working in USB 2.0 mode, which is capped to around 30-40MB/s, not USB 3 speed. Are you sure it's working in 3.0 mode? Can you benchmark it? You can use this program to benchmark it: http://thesz.diecru.eu/content/parkdale.php

    A modern 7200rpm HD should give you about 120-160MB/s which is not so considerably slower that some might lead you to believe. Some SSDs can get as slow as that, but with modern SSDs you usually get between 400-500MB/s on SATA3. So you say that it takes 3-7min for a big patch to load? That means it should take about up to 4x less with a normal, working, modern, SSD to load it. That is still considerably slow in my experience. Something must be wrong. Benchmark it. benchmark your SSD too while at it. :wink:

    What One Reason suggested: you might have to batch re-save your patches. It can often work wonders with Kontakt patches loading time. :wink:

    Cheers! :mates:
     
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    Thanks for typing out what I couldnt be arsed to Sinewave.. lol :thumbsup:
     
  11. Xupito

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    Important that you resave only the patches (instruments), not the samples too. Yeah, you said it before @One Reason :P. But you said:

    Which not specifies only the patches.

    Also, for a HDD, a full defragmentation is important.

    And, if you can, you could use a few GB of your SSD drive as cache for the external HDD. I don't know if this can be done, specially with a USB drive.

    Edited: sorry @SineWave, I confused yourself with onereason
     
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    Ooops :o
     
  13. I didn't think one could defrag an SSD. I just learned something new.
     
  14. TinTin

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    yes you have learned something new , but dont believe everything you read here on this forum , and defragmenting SSD´s are not good and can destroy your SSD´s fast
     
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  15. Always Grateful

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    I suggest a 5TB Toshiba drive for your purchased and free software, do not buy WD or Seagate, coming from a man who does data recovery for a living . Backup on to Blu Ray. Never trust SSD or Spindle drive lasting few years, data recovery from a SSD cost on average £500-1200. The Best Blu-Ray media Verbatim Japanese 50 GB disk from Amazon and LG Blu Ray recorder. Japanese import Verbatim discs are guaranteed for life.
     
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    Interesting. I've been buying only Toshiba HDDs for archiving lately. They do seem a bit more reliable than Seagate and WD. ;) But when it comes to HDDs it all comes down to subjective, personal experiences. When a HDD goes bad you decide not to buy from that company again, and you usually have more luck with some other brand... if you get my drift. In reality they are all as reliable as it gets for a HDD, no matter the brand. ;)
     
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    Nobody's saying to defrag an SSD. The OP USB drive is a HDD. Defragmenting a SSD is pointless, of course, though technically can be done.
     
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    I you happen to have a MAC a Transcent Storejet 300 is a great buy at € 200 in Netherlands (could be more expensive in other countries. It has Tunderbold as well as USB 3.0.

    I have one for my Kontakt stuff (WIN + MAC) and my samples. I made 3 partitions and put my samples on an exfat partition.
     
  19. Guitarmaniac64

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    Have all of those brand you mention NEVER ever had a problem with any internal HD:s since in fact i never had an HD crash and i have been using home computers since 1993
    Have many USB storage drive too and all except one has worked like a charm
    The once who not work like a charm is an 8 year old iOmega USB disc that having trouble to boot up but after switching the on/off button some times it starts up
    I gonna replace it soon as i am afraid it will be damaged for good and all my saved files will be lost.
     
  20. Thanks, I misread the post.
     
  21. Haydnberg

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    Yeah, I just lost a WD HDD MyBook not too long ago, couldn't salvage any info and spent well into the 100s trying to save the content, luckily, other than a few irreplaceable photos, it was only my backup for Komplete 8, which I still had on a different drive. I'm not trusting this new WD too much.

    I formatted the drive and transferred the contents back into it and it seems to be working a lot faster now, only taking about 30 seconds to a minute to load the bigger patches.

    I realized something was up when I ran the BlackMagic Benchmark program and it said my drive was read only.

    TLDR: Mac and Windows hard drive formats are half compatible.

    Also, I've been bamboozled, when looking at the stats of the hard drive I was reading the box of my old HDD, so my drive is actually an SSD.

    I am just full of it today.
    Thanks guys!
     
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