i agree that, comparative to most daws these days, reason doesn't quite equate.
however, as a rewire slave it is fantastic and why i will continue to use my old copy in that respect.
the sampler is pretty good ( some very good orchestral samples in the library) and the inbuilt synths are much better now ( combinator is very good), plus there is the dr rex player and drum machines are very good to. i am not so worried about it's future i guess ( my first set up was reason with acid pro : ) but i won't be getting rid of my copy any day soon.... but i don't see reason achieving a wider user base when it refuses to let 3 party "vst plugins.. in". : )
that being said, reason is one of the most stable programs i have ever used. i can't remember last time if any i had a crash. and, most important for me, it will run and old and slow laptop so it's great for sketching and doodling when i am on the train etc..

 

That awkward moment when your direct reply to the subject of thread looks like offtopic... But..

I'm pretty sure it will be cracked (if not already). But (don't get me wrong) i'm not sure that Reason is a main reason to fight with E-Licenser (Obviously). It will be released as a benefit of cracked E-Licenser.

 

not that it really matters but reason is protected by codemeter not e-licenser.
and even though i would never go back to it as a main DAW, i have to say reason isn't as bad many make it out to be (just a bit shit!)... like others say it is good as a rewire slave from time to time and for the nostalgic memories of your first go on your mate's windows 2000 music PC

 

I forgot, They have their own so-called Ignition key.

 

nice story..

but you actually have to pay for it first to get the 30 day trial....(which to their credit is kinda awesome)..its rare to see software companies that actually give you the option to return shit if you dont like it.

A lot of kids probably dont have 400 bucks to throw around like that though.

and i mention it being cracked to just as a curiosity thing

 

So, we should pretty much give up on Reason ever being cracked??

Yup

 

All Reason 7. It's the driver, not the tools.

 

U mean its the one guy... not the thingy?

I think i get it.

 

Where you get that "you actually have to pay for it first to get the 30 day trial"? I've demoed Reason 7 and 8 4 times already by just entering some basic information/email address. I mean, unless you are referring to something else that I don't know about.

You maybe using the term "kids" loosely here but you refer to people needing to buy the software (I guess software in general) as "kids"? Like 10 year-old or something? Because even then, it would take an adult with money in most cases to buy these software. I think it is an obvious situation, one that may not favor everybody but the audio software market always been marketed toward the average person with money and the working professional.

Yes, there are those who are young and want to get their feet in early, that's understandable. And, for most, they'd say that's where the internet comes in play by finding stuff to download for free. That's about true! but hey, we can't complain much neither when certain companies choose to put a lock on their products. Can't win it all!

 

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The basis of your argument is the number of samples in the patches? Do you know how stupid that argument is? They could make patches with 36,000 samples, at a certain point its overkill and simply for the satisfaction of the user and not the listener which is who the music is for anyway. The average listener, which is 99% of the base wont hear or care to hear all the subtle nuances of your crescendo as it glides seamlessly through 197 multisamples... I bet you fall into the 99% as well: You couldn't tell the difference between a piece of music made with Reason and one made with LA Scoring Strings... Its the same as those people who claim they can tell which compressor was used on "this" kick in "that" song...

 

If they did it to StudioOne, Reaper or Live...I would be concerned. Reason's closed environment is by default big No No, and Propellerhead future is...not so bright. It's amazing they survived. As far as i feel, i wish that trash never pop up in the future.

 

Personally I know allot of people who successfully release music. None of them use reason. Not even in rewire. I'm not saying nobody does but at least in my circles its not used. Now you can do great things with it, but i think most people realise there are better options. It restrictive but then also its actually irksome to use imo. BTW i used to teach kids reason for a few years.

 

wow, that's an unecessarily vituperative remark.
i don't understand why it gets so many 'haters'.. it seems to be the whipping post much like fl studio is on most forums. the closed environment may be a ' no no' as you say, but ten years on it's still here...
good luck to them i say.
there is no need to vent spleen on a piece of software that is actually used by many - you have a choice after all, yuo don't have to buy their stuff. you can have an opinion, but don't go hating dude.

 

 

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In my opinion Propellerhead's Reason is an awesome piece of software made for electronic music composition.

BUT nowadays Reason became the status of a CLOSED ISLAND...
REWIRE.. yah, i've used Reason mainly as slave and for scratching compositions, that after scratch become reality in Logic with audio recordings and Sound Libraries, Sound Modules, Beat machines and FX. I love NN-XT, DR.REX, SCREAM 4, Malström and Thor, and the flexibility of Redrum and Dr. Octo Rex (within their limits). It's a good piece of software and i had hope Propellerhead would ever open Reason instruments, FXs, as third party (also the opposite way to VSTs intending be part of Reason).
BUT Reason not being a DAW is so closed. The really last positive addition was that you can finally record something (audio)... BUT that does'nt apply for a DAW. The sequencer is awful to work with.. Orkester Sound Bank is limited, although with it i have reinforced real strings, because for example in year 2005 did'nt existed another better sound library available for me at the time. AND, IF YOU DOWNLOAD THE DEMO TODAY, ORKESTER SOUNDBANK IS THE SAME SHIT AS FOR MANY MANY YEARS, more than 10 i guess... i have compared it to the old one, no changes.. it is really a shame.

Closed island...

Edit: 1 more thing, Ableton Live was it's former competition software, but Ableton has kicked in the face REason Propellerhead

 

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You went on and on about how "solid" something was and expected your argument to hold merit? C'mon dude. You're really not in any position to criticize someone's arguments. Reason sounds sucks... the ONLY thing good in Reason is their synths and effects. That's all. Things you can get anywhere else with more capability. You obviously don't understand the concept of overkill if you truly believe 36000+ samples is overkill. LOL!

Reason live instruments sound like toys. PERIOD! lol that's an inarguable line of reasoning. That's not open for debate. You load up any string in Reason, and ANY string in Kontakt will sound 10 times better. I understand you're bias but c'mon, you can't make a film score piece with Reason that's convincing. And I'm not even speaking from a user's point of view, I'm speaking from a listener's point of view. In fact, the first thing I ever heard from Reason was a film score and it sounded fucking ridiculous. If you're gonna sit there and try and tell me that people can't tell the difference, you have numb ears and this argument has JUST turned into nonsensical. LOL

 

There are some good native Reason racks, like Scream4. But apart those few, everything sound dated from 10 years to 15 years late.
RE are a good alternative, to raise sound quality. But you loose the famous " small ressources".
With code, you get what you pay for. That's why Aalto or ACE are cpu killers...and Reason 0.5% cpu Subtractor sounds like a 15 years old synth.
Even Thor sound just as good as a Novation V-Station plug...a 2003 synth plug.
You can stuff Reason with GB of refills, but there is NO serious rompler like Kontakt. So it is pretty useless.
Closed format mean you spend your time finding workarounds...or using something half backed.

I was a Reason power user, and believer, giving courses to others. And we all left Reason after Record fiasco.
Props are changing their direction when they hit the wall, like a blind child toy. I would not invest my time and money again...

Too late and too few changes. That's what happens when CEO take bad decisions...

 

agreed!

 

In reason's defence v8 has added a few features to the sequencer (albeit ones other daws have had for 5 years) that makes it much better. And mouse drawn automation of parameters (right click and then automation is handled like clips - imo is amazing!) shits all over ableton and logic (yes logic is probably tonnes better for recorded automation, but I don't do that).