Sorry but that really isn't my advice.

Since foster911 is learning by himself, he's having the tendency to put more in his mouth than he can chew and I am only telling him what to start with. I am all up for learning as much as you can but what foster was doing couldn't even be called learning. Now he's finding the path but still lacks the ear skills and experience to understand the context of the stuff he reads and hears.

Without solid basics and an ear that has at least a feel for diatonic chord changes, some intervals, etc... it's kinda worthless to keep digging extensions.. next thing he's reading about counterpoint and figured bass without having a clue.

Music Theory aren't RULES, they are merely OBSERVATIONS of something within a CERTAIN CONTEXT.

 

kinda harsh froggy... if you're right..can't you just be smug and self satisfied? I'm sure there are words to express that..
or do we need more theories of communication...

 

It's not about right or wrong. I just think that some people could do well without the camouflaged referencing to me in their posts, specially when they do it the way they do (misinterpreting/changing things I've said). To me, that's low and unexcusable.

That's all.

 

Don't know why I am so important to you. Does bashing others make you feel more right?

It's weird because I can share my views without even mentioning you but you have this strange need to impose that only what you've learned is the truth.

You must be a scared little boy.

https://audiosex.pro/threads/automatic-counterpoint-generator.21666/#post-149192

 

it s just that your views are wrong and someone has to remind u that, and since most people here think that making music is opening the daw and play with the white keys on the master keyboard,i feel it s my duty to remind u that u don t understand a fuck of what u try to share with people who know less than u

 

@duskwings well.. how about this... I will consult with you..
I get the feeling Mr. froggy is a bit sociopathic..or perhaps misanthropic..

so.. tell me, as a music amateur.. who just learns from tab..and listening.. what sort of theory learning would benefit me most...

I think you are a little more common sense in this discussion, so how would you direct
someone like me who has dabbled very little in the academics and theory of music...

shoot !!

 

Music theory is not so difficult, ill tell u more,the rules it set are subjected to continuous mutations.The problem here is that there s a guy who is eager to learn but doesn t know where to starts and screws up his brains because he doesn t know where and how to start.ANd then there s another guy who follows his own path sometimes giving him some advice suggested by common sense ,but he doesn t bother telling him where he is wrong.
Now to answer your question,the sort of theory u benefit is the one that allows u to work independently without clutches,and that s up to u and your music goals.
there are very few but essential things that a musician/composer/writer needs to know.ANd the most essential thing of all is is intervals and how to build chords and why?
because if u know how to do it u don t need to remember every single position and u do t get mad if u forget it.
Music theory is only one and is some sort of living thing since it evolves and chages with mankind,but it s beauty is that it has no limits and u don t know to know everything to fulfil your goals,in the end the ear is the final judge,but theory is a time saver.
Put it this way: u can decide to learn a song by attempts,listening over and over and try to spot every note in it,because u have no knowledge of music theory,or u can learn a little theory, play alng on the melody, figure ut the key and eventually realize the harmonic progression.the second option requires a little study but enentually it s better that and more proficient that trying evry possible note until u find one that matches

 

I have always asked this question from myself that if there were technological tools in the Bach era, the music theory was traversing along the road that has paced till now. Today I found a good radio station (http://www.rantmedia.ca/industrial/rr-industrial128.pls). I can not get the traditional music theory concepts from it. It's a bit strange. Please listen at least 1 hour without quickly leaving it to establish it and you'd see what I am saying. I doubt they have seen any physical instrument in their life. Pure technological.

Nothing other than listening would help you to understand it and with just traditional music theory learning you would not think ever to create something like that.

Pluralism in Music theory or what?

 

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well depends... what you think of as music... it's just repetitive stuff with zombie scream whispers...

maybe they used some music theory in it.. but it's pretty horrific application in my ears....

not unlistenable, some of it reverts to something at least melodical... I can't really appreciate much "music" without
a melody... I think of it as aural splotch painting...

 

Ok foster911, I am "done" with you. Follow your path, don't rush things and maybe one day you can come back to the things I've told you and understand what I meant. Anyways, I already got enough crap from people here because of you.

If you payed more attention to my posts towards your questions, you would find most answers easily. I think you're not ready to think for yourself, maybe you really need to follow rules and some method... and maybe one day you'll be able to get out of it and really see what theory was all about.

Good luck.

 

Reading a book chapter by chapter or jumping between them due to knowing some concepts previously. What is the problem with the second one regarding the establishment? Just helping your questions to be answered faster in nowadays complicated music world. I think learning curve is like electrons movement in a wire biased with DC voltage. Resultant direction is form - pole to + one but inside the wire we're dealing with the random movements.

 

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that s your problem, u refuse to study and look for loopholes nad shortcuts.It could work a little if u had solid basics, but u lack the basics because u stubbornly insist picking random notions here and there and jam them together.U have to start from zero, forget everything u ve learned so far since u misinterpreted and build your musical education

 

Nothing wrong with that, I also like to get the big picture first.

There's no problem if you know what you're doing.

That's what you think you're doing.

As I've said, I already gave you the answers to lots of things but at this point you are unable to understand them, that's why you're not satisfied and will keep coming up with nonsense questions and doing nothing with all that.


Open your mind and be humble. You are nowhere near the "big picture" so don't assume that you know anything already.

You're coming off a bit stubborn lately and that's part of the reason I am giving up. You want to learn "everything" about music in two weeks and you don't listen when I tell you that things aren't making sense to you because theory without practice (the actual music) is meaningless. Theory aren't rules to make music, they are merely observations that are dependant on genre, century, etc etc.

You insist in taking everything the wrong way (as a maths exercise), that«s your choice.


I am out, there's no point in wasting my time and effort any longer. You'll learn when you're ready.

 

sorry bud, I spent a fair while trying to figure out what i wanted to say as diplomatically and concisely as possible cos you made a lot of good points as did duskwings IMO. Apologies for not getting it right.
I guess what I meant was That duskwings advised a more comprehensive approach where you suggested a simpler approach.
Having said that you both seem to suggest the same starting point which is important

I'm hearing you on that one, well, mostly.
I like to have a less-than-complete understanding of any given topic before putting it into practice so I have a starting point identifying what I'm hearing. That said, I keep my learning to small blocks and I try to conquer that before moving on. This helps me keep what I'm reading and hearing in context and bit by bit develop and gain experience.

It sounds llike this is where he's going wrong and as you say, getting too far ahead of himself

Couldn't agree more.
But it's important to understand the conventions you want to break in order to understand how to achieve the desired effect.

 

This just gave me some insight, surprisingly.

What you say is correct. Kinda.

Yes the flow of electrons moves from negative to positive. And When we take a closer look electrons do move in every direction, but it's on a sub-atomic level, not inside the wire, so to speak. As the atoms exchange electrons, they do so with adjacent atoms in the general direction of the flow of current. Yeah It's not exactly the same, but it's not random until you get down to where quantum physics applies and relativity does not.

It seems you have a good understanding of topics without quite getting it. If I'm mistaken and you just simplified your statement for others to understand I apologise.

Keep at it. It's rewarding

 

I really appreciate you guys. You're always trying to show me the right way.

I was really bored of listening to genres that were not my type. But I found my favorite one yesterday. It really is so inspiring to me. I would try to learn music theory considering that genre. Learning solid music theory without putting it in action by utilizing it in the person itself favorite genre is not helping (you're trying to tell me more). It's better to learn triads as kouros said for months or even years and apply it to the favorite tracks then learn the next. I mean learn, practice, put it in action, then learn other sections.

Focusing on theories for years without using it, just makes you a good instructor for academia. Unfortunately in universities, electronic musics are not covered well and people are learning them by themselves that causes things to go forward haphazardly.

My favorites:
https://www.internet-radio.com/stations/goth/
https://www.internet-radio.com/stations/industrial/

 

that's it. triads are a great place to start and will see you through most of what you want to do.

Nice taste in music too, I love the darker side of music sometimes too.
Power chords are used quite heavily in goth/metal/industrial. All they are is a triad minus the 3rd. i.e. Root plus the 5th and expressed as C5, E5, G#5, etc and are neither major nor minor. very handy

 

it doesn t take months or years to learn triads,it takes minutes if u eventually decide to learn them after u ve learned intervals,or better, the intervallic structure,and learning intervals takes maybe a couple of days just to be sure u don t have to think about them too much.Recognizing triads,chords and intervals on the other hand is another story,it will take u longer,but i dont want to get back to your other thread where we tried to explain u things that u refuse to understand.

 

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foster has been quite the threadmeister lately too...