Its not religion that is the problem. Its people and their actions. There has been a lot of evil and bad doing in the past that has nothing to do with any of the religions out there.

People will always manipulate people using their beliefs to cause havoc if that's whats required. But this is always still down to a group or persons initial intention of causing harm.

They want a war, they have from the beginning, it will probably happen one way or another but its always still down to people's actions im afraid....

Its just a shame that its always innocent people that are losing their lives. People with no connection to any of the wars, beliefs or happenings. This is why its so sad.

 

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I didn't! I said they use/abuse the silence and the fear of other Muslims which is different. Otherwise I would'nt have written an essay. I think religion just provide the fertile soil where terrorist can implant their violent ideas. :P

Maybe we should continue in private. It would be more respectful.

 

Solidarité!

 

What I got from your message, too, chopin4525. is also that all the religious people are terrorists, and I thought "he didn't mean it that way, I'm sure". That's why I almost pressed "agree".

The real guilty ones here are politicians and politics, and economics and corporations. Religion has traditionally always been just their tool to achieve political goals.

 

They should investigate, find and punish the people who form, pay, finance terror groups!
I suspect that some of these "monsters" are positioned on very high levels of society & politics.
They try to impose their regime of terror & fear like the German NAZIS did in Europe years ago.
With their attacks they are willing to kill without distinction, also Muslims and children.
The NAZIS did the same, also killing a lot of Germans too.

 

and exactly where r u going to go to destroy them, since theyr mixed among us here in our cities?

 

Paix à leurs âmes

 

don't forget the 1000's of civilian victims France killed in 271 air raid in Syria in 2015. the coin has 2 sides. standing under a shiny flag doesnt justify murder

 

Prayers and condolences to all the victims families.May they find justice and peace.

 

Love to our friends in Paris / France. Innocent people doesn't deserve to be part of this stupid war...

 

Everybody has different political and religions views. One thing that unites us however, is we can all agree the repulsive behavior of whoever carried out last night's attack has won them no friends (At least nobody from the HUMAN race) but made them far more enemies than they could ever realize.
Last night was not political, it was meant as a show of force and power they have at their disposal, which means the 130 dead and almost 400 severely injured was just to prove a point! What I want to know is, who in all honesty could ever associate themselves with such a cancerous society?
To all those who have friends and family in Paris, know this. You do not, nor will you ever, stand alone in this fight against such monstrous villainy.

 

I sincerely hope you have heard from them by now. This is a very sad time for everyone wanting to live in a society free from tyranny.

 

Mossad? Only a moron or someone with a vendetta against Israel could think Israel were behind isis. Thumbs down this all you like, but Israelis value life. The people all around them are the ones who do not.



Edit:- Thanks Sinewave for proving my point :P

 

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What is truly hilarious is that you all are demonstrating human nature at it's worst. Rather than realize that some (if not most) of these replies are ignorant, uneducated rants from angry adolescent minds (even if you are older) and showing the ability to ignore said ignorance... you engage an argument! You're doing it right here on this thread!!!!
That is the same mentality (on a lower sale) that leads to the stupid notion that leaving this planet for another one will change anything!!!
You are still of the human race!! People... WE ARE THE PROBLEM. This problem will exist no matter what planet a human inhabits. We (as humans) have the need to impose OUR will upon the next... Some of us are better at diffusing the process before it takes us over, but most are not... as evidenced right here on this thread. Every fucking one of us thinks we know the answer... and that's the problem right there.
Nothing will change until we kill each other off completely, or one faction supersedes everything and dominates... in which case, there will be an uprising and the cycle will therefore repeat itself.
It's human nature:

“Wisdom is to understand the world as it really is and live accordingly, not as we wish it to be”
― Bangambiki Habyarimana, The Great Pearl of Wisdom

“With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.

The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, if so urged by hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with a certain and great present evil. Hence we must bear without complaining the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind; but there appears to be at least one check in steady action, namely the weaker and inferior members of society not marrying so freely as the sound; and this check might be indefinitely increased, though this is more to be hoped for than expected, by the weak in body or mind refraining from marriage.”
― Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man

 

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Please document your statements. There's no INFO @ all about the 1000's of civilian victims you quote!

France launches air strikes against Islamic State in Syria
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/27/us-mideast-crisis-france-syria-idUSKCN0RR07Y20150927

French raid in Syria kills 12 child soldiers
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34399638

Of course in every WAR action you have to expect to hit "innocent" people too,
even when you have SUPER-precise missiles like the RUSSIANS have.

 

yes because those sources are bound to be the very arbiters of truth. haha

 

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It's sad. Hang in there France. #Salute

This response is not directed towards you SineWave, it's in agreement. So if you feel that way, everything I say you will most likely agree with. A lot of people don't even realize that the motives and conditioned perception of one's actions today reflect their background. Which is presumably influenced by religion. Even if you were an atheist, your moral guide line according to today's standard has a background of religious influences. Like polygamy, gay marriage, death penalty, opposing Easter, Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas. Average person opposes these ideas. The way our government deals with our political engagements, how they deal with the rest of the world and its own people juxtaposes with this adamant background of religious beliefs. Our social life and our basic foundation of morality and justification is surrounding the three Abrahamic religions. If only more people thought like that. They really don't understand that the three Abrahamic religions have actually been one of the biggest plagues to the world. If any of you reading is a Christian, Muslim or Jewish. Ask yourself. Is the God of Abraham moral? If yes, read below.

If anyone reading are one of the three, you were probably raised to be intolerant. Told to reject all "secular" information and new ideas your background has taught you to reject. In your mind, even humoring the idea of hearing it out would be in direct defiance to your God. That's how you keep a belief sustainable. Make them believe that even seeking knowledge is wrong if it doesn't fit the criteria. It wouldn't even surprise me if you stopped reading right here. The same place racism comes from is the same place intolerable religious believers come from. How they perceive the world and reality itself is inexorable. They made up their mind on what and why life is. But if you have an open mind and want to explore new information, keep reading. And rest assured, you're not "going to hell" for reading some information. What you accept and what you don't determines where you end up in life.

Now let's begin! (This part is pre-written...mostly)

Using basic logic and reasoning, it is proven that the murderous Christian God is an invention of man. WAIT! now before you get offended, let me reassure you that I am in no way trying to offend you in any way. But if you have a moment, take the time out for once in your life to read something with an open mind. (assuming you haven't been open minded to this particularly controversial topic to begin with)

First, the difference between objective and subjective morality. Subjective morality means that you "the subject" define morality based on what you know, think or feel. Objective morality means that morality "the object" is a thing an end in of itself and is therefore defined by its mere existence. That makes sense right? okay... Well, being a Christian/Muslim/Jewish requires belief in objective morality. For them, God is the perfect center of everything that is real and therefore, morality comes from him. You could say that "God" IS morality. And I doubt many believers would argue with this. If they did, they're probably not worth talking to because it's likely they don't read the Bible/Torah/Qur'an. For the sake of this lecture, and not using all three Abrahamic religions, let's use Christian and speak on things that are in correlation of the three that all three would at least, agree on. This logical reasoning becomes awkward for Christians who actually take the time to think about it. We'll discuss a few ideas here with God's perfect objective morality in mind. And then we'll look at the only argument Christians have to fall back on.

To demonstrate a couple of important inarguable lines of reasoning. 1: based on what we know about morality today, we can conclude that the God of the Bible is made up, because he's clearly not moral. Or the Bible is terribly flawed! But according to the Bible, the Bible isn't flawed. Hmm... I wonder what the Bible has to say about this matter. "Wait, what?". and 2: If the God of the Bible is real, then he is clearly not moral according to how we understand morality today. And Christians are serving an immoral maniac.

These two ideas are interchangeable to the following arguments. So feel free to refer back as we move along and see that they both work quite well... Rape? Is wrong. Rape is not moral. Rape is not mentioned in The Ten Commandments. Why is this not a commandment? Muslims will argue with this since Islam does not accept the absolute authority of the Bible, teaching that it has become corrupted over the years, and therefore it does not accept the authority of the listing of the Ten Commandments that appears in the Bible. Islam does, however, accept the status of both Moses and Jesus as prophets, which means that the commandments are not completely ignored, either. Anyway, can any reasonable Christian person truthfully state that rape is not against morality? Ask yourself if rape is morally wrong and what kind of punishment should be wrought upon a filthy rapist..........Go ahead, think about it. While you're thinking, here's a scripture showing that God "The Moral Guideline" is not only pretty nonchalant about it, he gives instructions on when to do it. Deuteronomy 20:10-14,

10 "When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.
11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.
12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:
13 And when the Lord thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:
14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the Lord thy God hath given thee."

These women mentioned in this scripture were meant to be taken as wives and concubines against their will. They were UNWILLING vessels for sex! Don't kid yourself, they were rape victims. So if you believe that rape is morally reprehensible and God does not (according to Biblical evidence), either you are wrong about it being so bad, or you are willing to follow a God you know to be morally reprehensible... ...That stings...

Murder? It's wrong. This IS one of the ten commandments. So for Christians, Its absolute validity as a moral truth CANNOT be denied. Forget for a moment that the vast majority of Christians in this country believe in the death penalty. (go figure, that one) Let's look at God's personal track record, though. God killed countless men, women and children in the Bible. Some might say that God is "just" and his decisions are moral regardless. And if you believe this, then you believe the slaughter of innocent babies is justified. Remember, under the three Abrahamic religion's view, morality is objective. So it MUST be okay when God does it or commands it. He burned entire cities to the ground. These cities would have undoubtedly included innocent children. He destroyed every creature on the planet except Noah and his crew. Every...single...baby and child...murdered. So is murder morally wrong? If yes, then God is morally wrong. If no, then one of the ten commandments isn't a moral truth handed down from God. Which is supposed to be?

These are two big examples that demonstrate that God is clearly not moral according to what we know about morality. This is in direct defiance to what the Bible says is true. So, what the hell is true? If God can't even get the big stuff right, then what are we left to believe about his character? Christians will say that "God is love and we just don't understand his nature." But in saying this, they are plainly ignoring all these nasty bits I've talked about that we are all aware of. However, if God is love, let's look at how the Bible defines love and juxtapose this with what we've discussed so far. The Book of Corinthians chapter 13 states that 'love is patient and kind'. Can anyone honestly say that God is patient and kind? He destroyed the entire world by drowning everyone (C'mon). It says that 'love does not envy or boast'. God self-proclaims his own jealous nature (several times) and boasts about how awesome he is (like, all the time). It states that 'love is not arrogant or rude'. The story of Job reflects his nature as overflowing with both rudeness and being an arrogant asshole just to win a bet. Chapter 13 explains that 'love does not insist on getting its own way'. (I mean, do I even have to comment on this one?) It further says that 'love is not irritable or resentful'. Really? God has continually both resentful and pretty goddamn irritated throughout all of the 66 books.

So what do we know? Well, God is not moral. And he clearly does not represent the Bible's OWN interpretation of what love is. What argument can Christians possibly throw at this? Well, I'm gonna tell ya. Are you ready? Because here is the ONLY come back Christians have to the devastating blow that these arguments have in their feeble beliefs. Isaiah 55:8-9,

8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

All too often, Christians are going to hear this scripture because the only way to answer the indefensible nature of God is with this unapologetic cop-out. So many Christians wonder about these things. "What answer do I have to give them to give them comfort that we're not wasting our lives? His ways are higher than ours and... blah blah blah?" This simple stupid scripture is so ingrained in the minds of so many, that they truly think it's an adequate response in the face of these tough questions. When it's actually nothing more than absolute proof that God is an immoral mass-murdering megalomaniac (that is if he is indeed real.)

So keep Isaiah 55 in mind and let's finish by looking at the Bible with a fresh perspective. Let's noted that this God (whose ways are so different from man's and whose thoughts were so much higher than man's) sure did act like a man. Particularly, the way men thought back then in the bronze and iron ages. Is it curious how God was jealous, petty and woefully uneducated about the very world he supposedly created? His ways higher than ours? Are you sure? Women were subjected to exile while menstruating and forced to wash themselves as though they were diseased. This clearly indicates that God had no understanding that something as simple as a woman's period. As a matter of fact, he condemned it as an abomination that which was out of the scope of understanding of simple science. Now I want to state this again because this one is striking. God happen to CONDEMN as an ABOMINATION the VERY SAME THINGS that FREAKED OUT the DUDES who were walking around at the time! How are his ways higher than ours, when he never demonstrated one single knowledgeable idea? Not one. There isn't a single idea or concept in the entirety of the Bible that couldn't have been offered up by a common man back then. Let alone today.

God was also a baby killing mass-murderer. Think about that. Hosea 13:16 states, "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child (their pregnant women) shall be ripped up."

...............How could this possibly be justified by saying his thoughts are higher than ours, when this is so clearly an act of evil genocide? What makes more sense to your logical mind? That his ways are higher than our ways? That his thoughts are higher than our thoughts? Or that these were rules created by an ignorant, uneducated and warmongering group of men who lived at a time of darkness and cruelty?

The God of the Bible is unarguably NOT a moral creature and does nothing to represent what we know about altruism, love and compassion. His past nature and crimes against humanity cannot be overlooked or forgotten because he "supposedly" sent his son to slaughter. In what logical universe does it make any sense? The only thing that does make sense, that Abraham's God of the Bible, simply not real.

P.S: If God is Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent, this would undoubtedly mean that every moment, since the beginning of time and before time was perceived, that every single bad and horrible thing that has ever happened, every bad invention, every disease, every death, every murder, every sexual assault, every war, every massacre, every disaster, everything, he was aware of it before it happened, when it happened, knew the results of each moment after it happened, and he was a witness to each moment that these things occurred. And not only was he aware before and after, and was there before and after, he also has the limitless power to prevent everything that has ever scourged the world. Which concludes that everything was also predetermined. Which means that every commandment, every story, he knew the outcome. Before he even created the entire universe, he knew how it would turn out. Everything. Making "Free will" a delusion according to the belief of God. So it was all played out, by him... And him alone.......that's if he exists. If there is a God, he is not the one of the bible. And yes, humans will always be the problem, and humans CREATED religion. Some people have motives to do harm without political or religious influences. Unfortunately, the vast majority of major incidents such as this is. We don't need citation by authors, poets, politicians, religious leaders or scientists and doctors to confirm this. ISIS or ISIL (or whatever people want to call it) being a terrorist organization that exists or not, political or religiously motivated is debatable. However, I did say that politics is religiously influenced regardless.

 

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I didn't have to read Wikipedia to know Who Mossad were, I knew before Wikipedia or indeed the internet even existed, and I'm telling you that I know with all impunity Mossad or ANYONE living in Israel (except for the 20% made up of arabs that I cannot speak for) have absolutely nothing to do with isil.
To be perfectly honest, I would believe YOU had links to isil sooner than anyone in Mossad.
Want to know why? I will tell you.
A TERRIBLE event happens in France, and you or this mysterious co-worker you are defending, blames who? Israel. Oh yes I know you say Mossad isn't Israel, but Mossad is made up of Israelis defending Israel, so you may as well be. That in psychological terms could be construed as blame transferal.

Get your facts straight before making false accusations in future, or perhaps put this third party co-worker you claim to know right before putting his or her incorrect statements on the net.

I suppose you subscribe to the notion that America was behind 9/11 too? I heard THAT one going about for many years. Yet ANOTHER lie spread about by dangerous people sprouting propganda and believed and passed on by idiots.

I haven't worked out yet whether you are the dangerous one for spreading these rumors or an idiot for believing them.

 

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Do you believe that the news in America or history in America for that matter is 100% entirely accurate?

 

Entirely accurate? no I don't, but I do believe there is nobody in US Politics who would purposely kill 5,000 Americans just to make another country look bad.