i m not sure to understand,u say using numbers instead of note names to learn intervals?

 

Shit man... the discussion regarding those numbers was about redundancy. There's absolutely NO POINT in repeating the EXACT SAME NOTES if you're only describing a structure (scale or chord), that is dumb and no one does that!

The key signature thing is that the tables that were posted have nothing to do with the traditional sense of key signatures and I tried to explain that difference and why those tables aren't wrong.

Numeric intervalic tables like those are formulas to get absolute notes and have NO RELATION to the circle of fifths.

 

Intervals are numbers. Chords and scales can be represented by those numbers and applied to any home tone (root). Jazz people think in numbers all the time, it's closely related to ear training and the skills involved in improvisation.

 

Blah blah fucking blah.

 

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Ignorance sure makes you feel like a man.

 

that first table he posted is an invention of his, it borders stupidity, it makes no sense at all,it s misleading.I cna understand that u can use numbers instead of notes names,but at that poitn numbers become the notes names so it doesn t make much difference.Of course math exercise aren t necessary after a certain point when somene has masterd the intervals,but in the beginning they r important,but after a while u are supposed to know how many semitones there are withing an iterval without counting them

 

Any key you start on then ( whole step, half step, half step, whole step, whole step, whole step, half step )
thats all the scales if thats what you want to learn ?

http://www.bandnotes.info/tidbits/scales/half-whl.htm

 

Foster, forget that crap lol

Haven't you figured out already that you're repeating the same thing 12 times (and making lots of mistakes along the way)?

What do you think you're getting out of that?

 

a 7 what? u gotta call it properly , and no it s not even a seventh, it s a diminished octave (yes, they exist),if u had wanted to make a major seventh interval u should have used an F sharp,but u don t want to understand, u r making a mental mess to learn things wrong

 

Talking about diatonic scales (7 notes):

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 being the plain major scale, "1" being the root (any note)

Start studying how major, minor, modes, etc relate to that 1234567. After that, you'll understand how it works and OWN the knowledge instead of trying to memorize things that you don't even understand.

When you understand domething, there's very little to memorize... and specially not those tables Foster!!

 

Everybody learns differently, and furthermore, whence it is learned it will be applied uniquely by the individual's strengths and weaknesses, personality and maybe even slip below their consciousness and hopefully get to the intuitive stage. About naming things, my Father used to say to me, "Boy, you can call me anything but do not call me late for dinner".

 

That goes back to what I had said. In absolute terms it is a major 7th, just doesn't look correct and might cause confusion. Regardless, it will sound the same as F#.

In OTHER divisions of the octave beyond 12TET, then it would sound like the diminshed octave, which is to say, it would sound different than the octave AND not the same as the major 7th.

 

That's the point I always try to make but I know people who really get stuck into "proper this, proper that" as if someone actually invented music and turned it into a secret magic ritual with chants and magic words.. it's not easy and I usually tell people to go research a bit on music history and how theori(es) arise and why.

 

This chart explain the relationship between Degree, Name,Interval and Size. Of course #5=b6.

 

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foster911, what is it that you're trying to accomplish with all these tables?

 

Again that s not the point, he claimed that the interval G4- Gb5 is a seventh.Now, firstly he didn t specify what kind of seventh,he dopesn t want t o understand that he has to define it,and second ,yes they sound the same,if u close your eyes,if u read them on a tstaff they r not the same, and u r supposed to read intervals somewhere to learn them,unless u wnat to do it by ear, adn even if u learn them by ear u have to name them properly.

 

Lets all bow to the great Kouros. The fountain of knowledge, his way or the highway. I am expecting to see, sometime soon, on the bookshelves of my local library your teaching of theory that bucks the trend of a thousand years or more. I am humbled.

 

Obviously, that's why I keep saying that it would be odd and lead to unecessary confusion.

Talking about confusion, there's no need to bring staff and key signatures to tables like the ones we're seeing.. it is all numeric/intervalic, no relation to key signatures and staff.

 

so u think those are a ll the intervals existing? will u please go fucking read some harmony book and learn intervals instead of wasting time with silly charts, please?