another "how did he make this 808"

Discussion in 'how to make "that" sound' started by northcuttbeatz, Sep 24, 2015.

  1. northcuttbeatz

    northcuttbeatz Ultrasonic

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    Sooo ive been listening to this song with an 808 that really stuck out to me. Tried to recreate the kind of compression and saturation used on this 808 but haven't gotten something too similar. Closest ive gotten is by using the kush audio ubk-1 but I feel like i'm missing something here. I'm thinking it was compressed with a hardware unit. Any thoughts?

     
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  3. BumBcL0t

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    Have you tried using a couple of saturation stages with a low mix %? Gives different results as opposed to just using one stage and cranking up the drive.
     
  4. Baxter

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    Try parallel processing:
    1) a heavily distorted sine, highpassed and lowpassed with pretty steep slope.
    2) clean sine (or gently saturated). Adjust amp attack (ADSR) to leave room for the kick (below).
    3) trigger and layer (above) with a simple kick, so that bass and kick act as one.

    @1:14 you can hear the bandpassed (i.e highpassed and lowpassed) bass.
     
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  5. Davey Jones

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    That 808 bass sounds wide as hell. Maybe the width is what you're missing.
     
  6. e-minor

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    lol I was watching this thread, just waiting on @Baxter to come and give his response. I knew he'd nail it. Quite an ear/gift you have man!
     
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  7. mindpassfilter

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    I make trap and drill beats quite often. I can make 808s like this using Kush Audio Pusher. Crysonic NewBV4 also worked pretty well to saturate and dial in boom frequency. Also, use a HP filter to taste, as these 808s don't boom like they used to. I like to call them "smartphone" 808s. Then he layers a simple kick drum, possibly with side-chain compression because it pumps pretty hard when it hits. I might be giving more credit than they deserve though.

    Nice beat, could have used a better rapper though.
     
  8. Frolic

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    easy
    long low he seas
    pitching to up kick
    and under tick tick kick again up pitching
    every sound have other sound just change pitch or tone and done :winker:
     
  9. northcuttbeatz

    northcuttbeatz Ultrasonic

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    I was thinking he might have used kush audio pusher to give the 808 that depth(not too sure though since i don't own pusher though), I know he's using side chain compression from the way the 808 pumps in the song.
     
  10. dikkiedik

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    more saturation, less compression. my secret weapon on 808's us UBK-1 by Kush. like mentioned use parallel stages too. work on good headphones mixing them in. most rooms aren't handling subs that well. good luck!
     
  11. Atorr69

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    Reminder these dudes use FL Studio. They make the most different sounding things with the simplest of tweaks,

    For this I'm pretty sure its Parametric EQ cutting off the high end of the saturated waveform running through Blood Overdrive or Bass Boost. If not then this dude's using Fruity WaveShaper to design/alter a sine wave into a saturated sounding one.
     
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    I went the quick 'n' dirty route. A simple monophonic sinewave oscillator, MIDI pitched and gated, with a small amount of chorus at a low rate in order to fatten it out plus the oscillator's ADHSR tweaked in order to soften the attack and stretch out the release worked for me. Not really an instrument in its own right, but a sneaky little means of supporting an 808 with a touch of bowel shifting warmth.
     
  13. m5g

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    who told you that its a 808? clearly heared two tones: one is the kick and other is one of a million possible basses )))
     
  14. Atorr69

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    Now to get that Chorir/lead starting in 0:28....

    Titan? Nexus? Gladiator? Kontakt? :dunno:

    Definitely not Sylenth nor Massive
     
  15. Pipotron3000

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    i'm with @Baxter and @m5g : there is NOTHING related to a 808 here.
    It is a "punchy/short/no low end" kick, layered on any sine (could be a 808 sub sine, but ANY synth/sample too).
    Distort heavily the sine sub part, high cut, and sidechain to the kick.

    You will never get a single 808 sound like this, because it is NOT a 808. No 808 in the whole world can produce a punchy kick attack like this.
    909 can...but can't produce 808 low sub.

    That's why producers used layering since day 1 ;)
     
  16. Atorr69

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    Obviously it's not an EXACT 808 Waveform nor a sinewave. The distortion + saturation + EQ are affecting the waveform so it sounds tonally different from the original 808 it was.

    You can't make this sound with a saw wave nor a square wave regardless the main factor here is the Fruity Waveshaper or Low-pass filter which is affecting the harmonics of the bass and changing the tone.
     
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    It's no more relevant to question 3rd party sources how someone they don't know personally crafted a sub bass from scratch than it is to ask what sample pack they used or what other song they ripped it from.. who knows? The easiest thing to do is test and pick your go to ADSR envelope and you'll have an arsenal of your own sub bass shapes soon after that you can use not only on any bass patch, but any sound on earth that has something happening in the low end. Then have fun with your pitch, saturation, or any creative fx tools you want to venture and release your own sample pack for the people in the video to use next time for that matter.
     
  18. m5g

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    first of all question: why needs and wants to sounds like someone else???
     
  19. Atorr69

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    Alright guys anyone know how to make this insane sounding 808 stand out in the mix like that?



    It's not just a limiter but it sounds like it's been heavily played around with on FF Saturn ? anyone else thoughts?
     
  20. Pipotron3000

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    About the OP, Baxter, M5g and i gave you all you need :
    This is NOT a 808
    There are TWO layers
    Sub layer is SIDECHAINED to first layer
    There is an OBVIOUS distortion on sub

    Now ppl have the keys to learn from ppl knowing their sh*t. If you don't want or can't...just use sample banks like any average Joe.
    It works, too.
    But ppl running in circle around the answer like cats just to "win the argument", but not getting it, are jumping on my nerves.
    You know or not. You hear or not. There is no "may be".

    @Atorr69 : this is a kind of tape recorded 808. You can find very good ones in Goldbaby or Wave alchemy banks:mates:
     
  21. mindpassfilter

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    Surprised that a simple kick drum can stir up so much discussion. I think we are giving too much credit to the producer TBH.

    Yes, there is a kick layered over the "808." Could be just a saturated waveform. I personally use clean 808 samples and then add FX, not worth the time to make them from scratch with a synthesizer.

    Also, you have several "808" sample players like Trap Boom, 808 massacre, Woofer, etc. that have kicks that sound very similar to this, already pitched and ready to go. Just add a tad more distortion / saturation and you can get the same result without much effort.

    BTW, just for fun, listen to this beat. Produced by Sonny Digital, a HUGE name in trap beats if you didn't know, made an 808 with full blown distortion on the 808. Not even tasteful distortion - this is borderline Gabber shit (which I love BTW). This is a recent release, so don't be surprised to hear more producers try to do this:



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