Monitor simulator

Discussion in 'how to make "that" sound' started by fraifikmushi, Sep 21, 2015.

  1. fraifikmushi

    fraifikmushi Guest

    Ahoy ahoy,

    I'm currently working with an a&r who gives me the funniest kinds of feedback which I have some difficulties to comprehend.
    We narrowed our differences down to different listening environments and there seems not much common ground :)
    Is there something like a monitor simulator I could use to recreate his end of line?
     
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  3. rhythmatist

    rhythmatist Audiosexual

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    hmm....even if you had something to re-model the sound of one monitor to sound more like a different brand, it still wouldn't be the same because it's not the same room. Maybe if you both used the same brand of headphones and all the devices in the chain were the same, but headphones don't tell you everything that's going on once you listen with speakers. Maybe you could get close if you both used the same auto EQ correction, like I have in my dbx DriveRack.
     
  4. Baxter

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    I'm so confused.

    Get monitors.
     
  5. fraifikmushi

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    @rhythmatist: I know what headphones he uses so maybe that would be a way out to buy the same ones.

    @Baxter: remember the antares mic mod? something like this for monitors...
     
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    if they can make cabinet/amp simulators for guitars, don't see why somebody hasn't done the same to make my KRKs sound like my old JBL 4311s.
     
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  7. fraifikmushi

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    Exactly what I was thinking...
     
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  8. Isone (by ToneBooster) does almost the same work as the Mic Mod but for speakers/rooms
     
  9. fraifikmushi

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    It's for headphone use. There are actually some programs who do this for headphone use but that's not what I'm after...
     
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    hello, fraifikmushi, audio lover fellows too,
    this here me is unable to feel sure that this is what you are after, perhaps worth the try... :dunno:

    wish all of us the usual best of the best, wish you more possible solutions for potentially troublesome communication grounds... :bow:

    later edit, post scriptum, the link provided became denied for access here, thus instead of using that, please do search for ***** focusrite vrm box ***** perhaps will work at your end. :bow:

    there also came up one article about the unit, on the sound on sound magazine site, perhaps clears up its intended usage some bits more usefully.
     
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  11. You get this with ARC2 room correction system. Comes with a bunch of daft stuff like 'multimedia speakers' and such, but can be used to create custom speaker profiles. How good it is is another matter. You pay dollars for the mic, so no freeloading.
     
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    Airlines are your friend here :mates:
     
  13. Baxter

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    I would invest in DIY room treatment instead (DIY basstraps, absorbers, diffusers, QRD, Helmholtz resonators, etc). + There is Room EQ Wizard (along with a good reference mic) and tons and tons of info on the web.
    This ofc means good audio interface/converters, good balanced cables, good monitors.

    Getting ARC2, "monitor simulator", convolution on the master, etc is just like putting a Lamborghini emblem on a shitty car.
     
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    Sonarworks has some presets, I don't use them so can't comment on the quality, thought the sonarworks is a top plug that works (for me) 10x better vs ARC.
     
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  16. Hmmm. Let see: professional room correction, say $25,000. Studio Adams with Sub, say $3,500. Call it $30,000,

    ARC2 (or Sonarworks no different unless you own one): $300.

    And we are a forum dedicated to the spending of money, n'est pas?
     
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  17. fraifikmushi

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    ok, first of all: thanks to all of you for your contributions!

    The thing is: I'm sitting here in my studio and I have a reasonable understanding of the acoustic characteristics of my room as well as my monitors. I know where the modes are in the room and I know what they are. This is not about treating my room or balance the acoustic flaws.
    It's about me sitting here in front of my adams and wondering if there was a piece of software that knows my speaker's frequency response (by measuring or preset) and has something like impulse responses from ns 10s or 1030s or crapboxes like that in it.
     
  18. rickbarratt

    rickbarratt Producer

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    But what's the problem, why would he need it different.

    is he trying to give you feedback based on what he hears only using headphones?
    what's his credentials, what is this some sort of stupid facebook label with some kid trying to tell you what to do so it looks like he knows what he's talking about?

    if you've mixed it right, it's right, test it on a pair of shitty £1 earphones and if it comes across ok on them. ITS OK.
     
  19. Psychoacoustic

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    This is in-principle possible. Right until you move your head a few inches to the left or right and the simulation is no longer effective.

    The problem isn't the monitors you use, it sounds like the problem is this guys ability to communicate with you.
     
  20. fraifikmushi

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    Oh man, you nailed it. The guy's notorious for giving producers a hard time but although what he says is not always what he means (in technical terms) the results are always excellent. That's why I want to work with him...
     
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    If YOU know what you are doing and are comfortable with your mixes and they translate everywhere else YOU listen to them, it seems the problem is on HIS end... he has a wierd listening environment... most modern a and r guys do not have a treated room with decent setup these days... I fear there is not much you can do except buy him your set up and recreate YOUR room.....

    I tried the Arc2 stuff, meh... spent an evening with string and making measurements, doing it multiple times, whatever... didn't really work that great for me, nor did I trust it.. Other engineers I respect though like them... so who knows?
     
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