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  1. stayfunkey

    stayfunkey Newbie

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    Hi there,

    I want to turn my small loft in to a homestudio.
    I was wondering what would be the right place for my desk and monitors to get the best sound available in this room.
    Would this be position 1 or 2 (see drawing)?
    Also would it be useful to place basstraps on each side?
    All walls including floor and roof will be isolated.
    I already put an floating floor on top of the original (wooden) floor and there will be carpet on the studiofloor.

    thanx in advance
    Greetings
    StevieJee
     

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  3. SAiNT

    SAiNT Creator Staff Member phonometrograph

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    would be much easier if we could see the actual place, not only graphs.
    it kind of looks like John.C place..

    i don't know how those roofs will sound... it's good if you have only one skewed wall ( / ), but both skewed walls may make you a lot of problems ( / \ )

    i'm wondering how big is that window?

    so far can't say anything about monitors placement, but i got an idea what you should do with your roof (check the image).
    - "room-long" floated acoustic panel, attached to the roof.
    + if you have a good hands, you can easily build light inside that panel.
    i can't promise anything without measurements and stuff, but my logic says, this should solve "the roof problem".

    and i think you should treat the opposite side of the wall with huge bass trap.. what i would do, is to shape the room to this: / |\

    hopefully this will give you some ideas.
     

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    stayfunkey Newbie

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    Thanks for the reply,

    so it's better to have one skewed wall then, then putting the desk in position 2 with no skewed walls at all!?
    I don't know exact how big the window is at the moment, maybe in the future I will replace this with a dormer to make the room bigger.
    So you're suggesting a basstrap underneath the window then, is it not necesarry to place a basstrap behind the desk then?
    I will see if I can make some pictures.

    Gr.
    StevieJee
     
  5. SAiNT

    SAiNT Creator Staff Member phonometrograph

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    i've never dealt with that kind of roofs ( /\ ), so i can only look and think... what i think, is that reflected sound will be floating above you;
    this construction just doesn't seem right, doesn't seem balanced :dunno:

    since you actually building a studio, you should definitely buy a measurement mic... it's possible to get a decent mic for ~60$.
    i don't remember the exact model, but i could look for it if you want.

    it's impossible to be 100% sure just by looking at pictures :sad:

    i'd make more windows... it will really save a lot of money on electricity.

    not necessarily.
    i've seen reports that placing your desk (and monitors) back to window (so you'd see the window when you at the desk) makes a better sound;
    but glass is probably the last acoustical material... so it depends on concrete situation.

    i can't tell you which side you should choose... maybe i'll be more specific when i see some real pictures *yes*

    i'd say it's not the most vital thing on the list.
    maybe you won't need them at all, so rather than prematurely spend money on basstraps, i'd buy a measurement mic. :wink:


    P.S. are you actually in the process of building this house?
     
  6. stayfunkey

    stayfunkey Newbie

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    Hi,

    I definitely will put an acoustic panel to the roof and maybe also on the walls, I've seen pictures of it and also how you can simply make them yourself.
    I think I isolate the roof and the walls to minimize sound leaks first and will then decide if I need extra basstraps or diffusers.
    I can get a mic to do the measurements or has it to be a special mic with special software?

    I'm not building this house, otherwise it would definitely be bigger and would have concrete floors :).

    Thanks agaim
    and I hope that maybe some other people can shine a light on this subject.

    StevieJee
     
  7. geiar

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    Just remember that there are three possible issues you are dealing with here.. and only 1 leads to better sound reproduction.

    a- sound proofing/isolation to the outside (preventing sounds to enter the studio)
    b- sound proofing/isolation to the inside (the opposite to above.. preventing the sound to get out)
    c- room's acoustic treatment ( to get the best possible sound in the room when monitoring.

    In such a small space and "difficult" room shape it will be quite costly to do "a", almost impossible to do "b" and quite tricky to get "c".

    I would work out a priority list first and take it from there.
     
  8. SAiNT

    SAiNT Creator Staff Member phonometrograph

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    obviously, it has to be special mic for measurement *yes*
    the software is called IK Multimedia ARC System... i guess you know where to get it :wink:
     
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    @SAiNT where does one acquire such a mic?
     
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    anywhere *yes*

    and here's the one i was talking about: Nady CM-100

    + another piece of software that you'll need to use with that mic.
    Code:
    http://www.hometheatershack.com/roomeq/
    virtually everything that you do without measurement mic is only by guess.
     
  11. Taper

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    I would place the working space in front of the windows, so the light from outside won't disturb your screens. Use a thick carpet as most of sonics will reflects from the roof to the floor and from there back. When you place your workspace (sweet spot) opposite the door (Desk 2) the two walls will give you standing sonic waves and disturb the direct signal more and more. Use the side walls to steer the sonic into the depth of your room and catch it up there with diffusors and traps.Maybe you can bevel the side walls a bit.
    I would consider to place a bigger wall with plaster plates or porously concrete bricks (ytong) in the back of the room, behind your sweet spot, to catch up the sonic better. Behind the wall use 6cm or twice 3 cm thick rock wool, flax or hemp plates (clean air).
    It a good hint to double the isolation factor by letting a free space between the isolation material and the wall, as air is a good isolation too.
    Because your room will get smaller and smaller with every wall construction, you have to find a good compromise.
    I hope I could give you some useful suggestions. Aim for a natural room reverb time of aprox. 1.2 secs seconds, don't build a unnatural sonic dead room (clap in your hands and listen). Good luck.
     
  12. Flo

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    unfortunately the dealer loceter promts my zip code somewhere in the DC area when I m in germany DOOO' its states only :dancing:

    hehe

    60 $ thanks for the info I ll look out for another one.

    keep :break:
     
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