Not attack, and no CS piano in blue
Or how can I tweak the sample start from any piano library?
Thanks in advance

 

If you mean attack knob 8dio 1928 Legacy Steinway Piano (as an example) has it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqL8cJSKFGc

 

Like he said, the 8dio pianos have it, the 1969 too.

I'd be curious to find out if it can be done with all piano libraries as well. I've been doing a lot of ambient sound design lately and I've been trying to figure it out with no success. I tries going under the hood in Kontakt and moving the attack there but it doesn't seem to do anything

 

Exactly. Any sampler software with an ADSR section or, at least an attack control.

A midi delay will accomplish the same thing without a fade in.

 

Thanks but I'm looking for piano lib with a sample start knob that cuts the waveform of the sample not "fades in" the sample (like the attack)

 

yeah, sample start is way different then an ADSR, going under the hood you can probably do it, get your kontakt skills down, not sure if you can map it to every sample in an instrument, well i'm sure you CAN, but probably a bit of researching involved.... but should be able to use a modifier globally one would think....

 

MAY BE :

In kontack / at the bottom of edit page // Modulation // Volume

Curve -100 and adjust the attack as wanted -- But there is still a little fade in
or
curve +100 and attack around 1.1k ms -- very little fade in ( but cut a smaller length of the attack ) [tested with sampletekk black]

Worth the try ... depending on the effect you want

 

Or ( still in Kontakt )

Add a "flexible enveloppe", just a little more control than above ...

just under amplifier:
click Mod / add modulator / enveloppes / flexible enveloppe

the parameters will be at the bottom of the page

 

There a big difference between changing the ADSHR characteristics & the starting point of a sample. For example is easy to script controls to modulate ADSHR parameters whether they be by group or all together etc.

However to change the starting point of a sample you would have to not use DFD but use sampler mode.

The easiest option would then be to use midi CC. For example put it in sampler mode and then hit modulation,change it to sample start & assign it to the modulation wheel. Make sure all groups start on controller rather than "always" & then your modulation wheel should change the starting point of the sample. To script in a knob to perform the same function would be easy enough. Good luck

 

Kontakt has a sample editor

There should be a section that changes the start point of any sample

They may call it loop start

 

Yes but with more than 3000 samples? Its seems that there isnt a code around

 

It seems to be very easy: Just add a modifier on the source. In this case a "constant" with target "sample start" should do it.

 

It sounds like You may be able to achieve the same effect with a gater + un-delayer (like voxengo latency delay, free) ?

 

I misunderstood what you want to do with modifying the attack.

Why would you want to do that though ?

The "delay" on piano in blue is between around 10-15, which makes it pretty playable.

Then once you laid down your track, you can always just set a delay of -12ms on your track to sync it with the bpm. That's what I always do.

Also, if you have piano in blue V2, they actually added a sample start option

 

Cutting up piano recordings (sometimes with "cut at zero crossings" turned off) is pretty sexy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2FshjevvqA&index=24&list=PLcd_SF1r8WEpmh-D1qUpFBFD0AUOXCo7J

Otherwise you can just adress a knob/slider (any CC) or modwheel to 'sample start'. Heck, you can even let velocity control sample start (the harder/softer you play, the closer to the beginning/end the sample will play from).

 

Only One I am Familiar with is Air Structure Sampler.

Awesome sampler by the way.

 

Also, if you have piano in blue V2, they actually added a sample start option
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Yep I kind of not understand it either

All the Cinesamples Piano in Blue v2 start knob does is cut into the values of the sustains by upto 20ms removing finger noise etc. It's possibly also not even actually changing the starting position of the sample but am guessing its actually using something like velocity compression knob that makes it easier to play quicker passages etc. It doesn't really give u the option to say movie the starting position of all samples by like a second which i'm not sure but guessing that is what he wanting

With 3000 samples u would just have to apply the option to edit all groups. What is it precisely u wish to achieve?


If u trying to do what I think you want there only two main options that I know.

Option 1

You can't change the values of ALL groups with DFD streaming therefore

1.) Load your patch, then select EDIT ALL GROUPS till it RED

2.) Go to the source section to the dropdown menu near the Tuning Knob. Change it from DFD to Sampler. This will load all your samples into RAM.

3.) Then select the modulation TAB & select add modulator & select add Midi CC modulator & set it to 1. This will set it to the modwheel on your keyboard.

4.) Select the amount & that's it your modwheel will now change the start position of the sample playback.


Method 2

If that doen't work then try this. It definitely works.

1.) Load your patch. Instead of going into Sampler mode stay in DFD mode.

2.) Hit the MAPPING editor and then from the EDIT menu select ALL ZONES which should turn them yellow,

3.) Open up your wave editor & change the sample start position (green line) to desired point.

4.) Select the gear wheel icon next to the snap menu. Hit dropdown & then select "to all selected zones" from that select "copy current sample start settings". Hit that & kontakt will apply it to every group.

Then next time you play EVERY GROUP will start playback from the timepoint you selected. *yes*

As for scripting in a control to vary this I am not sure but possibly u can,

 

I just took a pic I found on-line

I was too lazy to run kontakt for this question